Rocky Marciano vs Joe Frazier ~ Who Would Win?

:firedevil OK :eek: On a lighter note, I think these two cats would have beat the shit out of each other. It would have, or at least might have, been a contender for the most brutal bout. It would have been a tough fight for both men, and I don't think either one of them would have been in any hurry to have a rematch. :boxing:

I dont know how to to say this...But you are a shamless nut hugger of every old white heavyweight. :hijacked: Oh no, I am capable of shame. I mean, I'm ashamed to be in the same forum as a reverse-racist moron like yourself, who won't give any white fighter credit when it's due FUCKING EVER. But I'm never ashamed of my opinions. And opinions are really all they are. Same as what you said, you shit-eating faggot. You can't tell me that I'm wrong because YOU DON'T KNOW! You don't know whether Roack Marciano would lose to Joe Fraizer or whether Jack Dempsey would lose to Lennox Lewis. No one does. We're all guessing here. I mean, clearly, my guesses are more educated than yours, since most of the time I back them up with fact. Like the way I do know that Rocky Marciano's workrate was higher than Joe Frazier's because it's a STATISTICAL FUCKING FACT. You cock. Jose, you're a horse's ass who gets personal every single fucking chance you get. You should be banned for being an uncivil scrotum-sucker. Did I ever discredit Joe Frazier? No. No I didn't. I never brought race into the discussion, either. Never do, as a matter of fact. You're abso-fucking-lutely fixated on it. Fuck you, go to hell, and every other curse word I can't think of right now because I'm so astounded by your imbecility. Blow me.

Excellent match-up. I would have to go with Rocky by decision. Probably knockdowns from both fighters though.

Never thought of it that way but also could it be that Ali won the second two fights because he addapted to Frazier's style because he was the SMARTER fighter? That's true, he was a smarter fighter, but I think Frazier won the second fight. Judges loved Ali.

The Ali that Frazier beat had just beat two top fighters easily, so Frazier concievably beat a fighter that was just as good, if not better than the old Ali. We shouldn't forget that Frazier was the toughest fighter Ali ever faced and Frazier possibly could have beaten a young Ali also just because their styles were so different. Hopkins legs aren't the same as they were 10 years ago but who would you think is a better fighter, a young Hopkins or the one today? Never thought of it that way but also could it be that Ali won the second two fights because he addapted to Frazier's style because he was the SMARTER fighter?

Who knows who would win? We've all seen enough fights to know that any fighter can beat any fighter on any night. You can't really compare strengths and weaknesses because they could be neutralized for all we know. Frazier's power could be neutralized by Marciano's body work and so forth. The only way to really predict, and this is a toss-up, is toughness. Who would probably be the last man standing? I'd have to go with Marciano, who fought in a time when fighters were generally more rugged. The only rugged fighter who Frazier ever fought was Foreman, who absolutely destroyed him. But you never know.....

Marciano wins by late round knockout in one of the greatest slugfests of all time. Marciano hit harder than Frazier and with both hands, had a much better chin, and his defense was just as good as Joe. He is a bit like Vitali in that he looks easy to hit but when you're in there with him it's a whole different story. Ali said he was extremely impressed with Marciano's defense when they sparred and this was an ancient, out of shape Rock fighting a prime Ali.

I don't know how to put this...yes he did. Apology accepted. I dont know how to to say this...But you are a shamless nut hugger of every old white heavyweight.

Gloves were also smaller in the 50's than they were in the 70's

and now its my turn to agree with you. Ali did not have the same legs against Frazier that he did against Liston for example, but Frazier beat him as close to his prime as anyone ever did, and if we are talking ALI and not CLAY then Frazier beat a prime ALI because in reality when he changed names he also changed as a fighter and in my mind the two "careers" are almost seperate, like the difference between old Foreman and young Foreman. The Ali that Frazier beat had just beat two top fighters easily, so Frazier concievably beat a fighter that was just as good, if not better than the old Ali. We shouldn't forget that Frazier was the toughest fighter Ali ever faced and Frazier possibly could have beaten a young Ali also just because their styles were so different. Hopkins legs aren't the same as they were 10 years ago but who would you think is a better fighter, a young Hopkins or the one today?

Rock got knocked down by a light heavyweightin Moore. Yeah, Archie Moore was a great light heavyweight, wasn't he? But are you really going to hold that knockdown against Marciano when both fighters came into the ring weighing about the EXACT same thing (both weighed 188 lbs. for that fight)? If you are then you might want to criticize the chin of the guy who beat Frazier in two out of three, while he was well past his prime (and a guy you've already praised in this thread). Muhammad Ali was about knocked out by a fighter who not only weighed less than what Moore did for Marciano, but a guy that he had about 25 pounds on...Henry Cooper. If Marciano's chin is going to be a factor in fantasy fights because of that knockdown (which was a perfect right hand that caught Rocky coming in and knocked him down for a brief count), what does that make Ali's (who had about or close to the best chin of all-time)?

Whoa man, watch it, you're about to go off half cocked, I can see it coming. Moore was not just another lightheavy, he was one of the hardest punching lightheavies ever. Marciano was only dropped twice in a 49-fights career. I don't care who you are, that there's impressive right there. By comparison Frazier got dropped what, 12 times? Go on all you want about level of competition, going down six times more than another fighter is no accident. Point being, mebbe he would not be undefeated if he fought in the 70's, but he would be no journeyman. archie moore is the greatest lightheavyweight of all time, and hE HAS THE MOST KO'S OF ANY BOXER THAT EVER LIVED - 145 knockouts! you guys are also forgetting one important thing, the rock was Frazier's idol - why do you think their styles were so similar? because frazier grew up watching the rock's fights as champ, he wanted to be marciano, and came as close as he could. Frazier would respect rocky too much if they fought, more important, he'd also be afraid of him. marciano by KO. oh, and another note, because i know this is gonna come up next - marciano punched harder than Foreman ( i can prove this with science if u like - hell, i'll do it right now. anybody that studied physics knows that transmitting force is about distance, the shorter and closer the punch, the more velocity and power. Foreman was a big puncher, but he hit from too far away, if Foreman did his work on the inside like Rocky did he'd have scrambled Ali's brains in Zaire )

Whoa man, watch it, you're about to go off half cocked, I can see it coming. Moore was not just another lightheavy, he was one of the hardest punching lightheavies ever. Marciano was only dropped twice in a 49-fights career. I don't care who you are, that there's impressive right there. By comparison Frazier got dropped what, 12 times? Go on all you want about level of competition, going down six times more than another fighter is no accident. Point being, mebbe he would not be undefeated if he fought in the 70's, but he would be no journeyman. Good points. :cool:

Whoa man, watch it, you're about to go off half cocked, I can see it coming. Moore was not just another lightheavy, he was one of the hardest punching lightheavies ever. Marciano was only dropped twice in a 49-fights career. I don't care who you are, that there's impressive right there. By comparison Frazier got dropped what, 12 times? Go on all you want about level of competition, going down six times more than another fighter is no accident. Point being, mebbe he would not be undefeated if he fought in the 70's, but he would be no journeyman.

IMO The rock wouldn't have been undefeated if he had fought in the 70's with Ali, Foreman, Norton ect. Rock beat a way past prime Louis and got knocked down by a light heavyweightin Moore. Frazier would have used Marciano as a punching bag.

As Don King would say that is Rediculosity. When Joe Fraizer beat Ali the first time, it was honestly discussed whether or not he was the greatest fighter ever. It was a debate between him and Ali, Rocky is a distant third at best. I like Frazier alot, but the Ali he beat had just come back into the game, and was a far cry from what he had been before being forced into exile. With both Rocky and Frazier being inside fighters, it's not reaching too much to say that Frazier's chin would get tested, as well as his conditioning, as he slowed considerably in the later rounds, in hard fights, where the rock really didn't fight much different in the last round than he did in the opening round. Frazier also wasn't any faster than the rock, IF he was as fast. I dunno who would win, but it would be a great fight, that much I'm sure of.

I think Frazier wins if he can survive the 1st 3 rounds.

just to clear stuff up ali is the best hope that helps Yes it does. Ali beat men that would have killed Marciano.

This would have been amongst the toughest most grueling fight, Very likely that one off them would get permanently hurt. Frazier had an inch and about 20 lbs on rock. But had great heart, chin and power. But i must give the edge too the rock fore even bigger heart, better and power in both arms not only the left hook. The rock by late KO.

just to clear stuff up ali is the best hope that helps