Best Boxing Country

pink.... Uhhh, I really didn't need you to explain that to me. My point is....SO WHAT if there's more people & more boxers from the US than other places ? That means nothing . In fact, I'll guarantee that the competition in America, amongst Americans, does more to ELIMINATE talent than it does CREATE talent. I'm from Philadelphia, a city notorious for neighborhood rivalries & horrible gym wars. Who knows how many fighters left their best days in gym ? I accept what your saying about eliminating talent, however if you consider the amount of people with boxing licences from say the UK and the % of those with world titles compared with the percentage of those in the US then I would imagine that it is atleast equal if not superior

"what did roy accomplish? true maybe it was his bad luck that his competition was never that great." Are you saying Hopkins has faced better foes/bigger challenges than Roy ? Please, break that down for me.

pink.... Uhhh, I really didn't need you to explain that to me. My point is....SO WHAT if there's more people & more boxers from the US than other places ? That means nothing . In fact, I'll guarantee that the competition in America, amongst Americans, does more to ELIMINATE talent than it does CREATE talent. I'm from Philadelphia, a city notorious for neighborhood rivalries & horrible gym wars. Who knows how many fighters left their best days in gym ?

How hard can this be to understand, the more people there are then the more talent you have to choose from. Its not rocket science. Again the reason for the majority of the best boxers coming from the United States is becuase there are far more boxers boxing from the United States than any other country. Unfortunately this is a fact. If you were to look at all boxers with pro licences in the world the largest number would bew from the US - it's not difficult, although I do understand the point your trying to make about options in the US compared to those particually in South America. You're right, and if you look at the total number of active boxers as opposed to population it removes the "other options" argument. The UK would have the same argument as it loses a hell of alot of people to soccer and rugby.

How hard can this be to understand, the more people there are then the more talent you have to choose from. Its not rocket science. Again the reason for the majority of the best boxers coming from the United States is becuase there are far more boxers boxing from the United States than any other country. Unfortunately this is a fact. If you were to look at all boxers with pro licences in the world the largest number would bew from the US - it's not difficult, although I do understand the point your trying to make about options in the US compared to those particually in South America. soccer and baseball are very big in south america

Compare Hopkins' resume to Roy's & tell me how Hop is greater ? I love Hopkins, am a big fan, while never being one to root for Roy. But, I think Roy accomplished a lot more.....& don't forget who won their actual fight. true roy beat hopkins early in thier careers. resume wise i don't see where jones faught very many that are, were, or shll be regarded as top tier opponents. hopkins, who at an older age i might add, has defeted some top tier guys. somewhere on one of the threads someone made mention that b-hop didn't even break a sweat against trinidad. well he did. but i never saw him winded or out of breath the whole fight. he to me is a true champion because he trains for the best and the worst. mentally b-hop has my respect. what did roy accomplish? true maybe it was his bad luck that his competition was never that great. jabs i respect your opinion and am not attacking you in any way, i just think that roy was like ali only ali actually had the resume. roy built himself up to be more than he actually was. and the media baught into it. hbo even did.

I don't understand how the population of a nation factors in here. Did you ever think the reason there's a higher ratio of Puerto Rican boxers vs. Americans is because people in the USA have so many more OPTIONS in life ? The fact is....the majority of history's best fighters have come from the United States. BIG PAPPY..... You don't consider Pernell Whitaker an all-time great ? Get the f*ck outta here, kid. That's ridculous. How hard can this be to understand, the more people there are then the more talent you have to choose from. Its not rocket science. Again the reason for the majority of the best boxers coming from the United States is becuase there are far more boxers boxing from the United States than any other country. Unfortunately this is a fact. If you were to look at all boxers with pro licences in the world the largest number would bew from the US - it's not difficult, although I do understand the point your trying to make about options in the US compared to those particually in South America.

your new additions i totally agree with. they are true greats. but i still don't and prolly never will consider b-hop, who i really like, and rjj among the greatest. sure they are very talented and have good boxing skills but to me just not on the greatest level. of those two i would say b-hop before i would rjj. Compare Hopkins' resume to Roy's & tell me how Hop is greater ? I love Hopkins, am a big fan, while never being one to root for Roy. But, I think Roy accomplished a lot more.....& don't forget who won their actual fight.

Quick list of the top of my head, I should have included Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Robinson, tons. And greatness comes with time. You don't think RJJ or Bhop are worth mentioning, watch when they'll retire how people would be talking about how great they were. There will always be questions during their campaign. When Ali was active, I doubt that he has the recognition he has now back then. your new additions i totally agree with. they are true greats. but i still don't and prolly never will consider b-hop, who i really like, and rjj among the greatest. sure they are very talented and have good boxing skills but to me just not on the greatest level. of those two i would say b-hop before i would rjj.

Yeah Mate, Get a brain, have you considered the size and population of the US in comparison to other boxing nations? If you think about it the US is probably one of the worst. In my opinion if your talking in terms of pure talent then Cuba - not really recognised as none of them are alowed to turn profesional bu they dominate the amateur scene, others Mexico - how many legends down the years. I don't understand how the population of a nation factors in here. Did you ever think the reason there's a higher ratio of Puerto Rican boxers vs. Americans is because people in the USA have so many more OPTIONS in life ? The fact is....the majority of history's best fighters have come from the United States. BIG PAPPY..... You don't consider Pernell Whitaker an all-time great ? Get the f*ck outta here, kid. That's ridculous.

Compared to how many from the US? Yeah Mate, Get a brain, have you considered the size and population of the US in comparison to other boxing nations? If you think about it the US is probably one of the worst. In my opinion if your talking in terms of pure talent then Cuba - not really recognised as none of them are alowed to turn profesional bu they dominate the amateur scene, others Mexico - how many legends down the years.

Because Felix Trinidad lost to Bernard Hopkins.. Hmmm, so if Trinidad wins a rematch this means PR is now the better boxing nation?

the only one i recognize as being a great in that kist is ali. Quick list of the top of my head, I should have included Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Robinson, tons. And greatness comes with time. You don't think RJJ or Bhop are worth mentioning, watch when they'll retire how people would be talking about how great they were. There will always be questions during their campaign. When Ali was active, I doubt that he has the recognition he has now back then.

Would you bet on that? :rolleyes: I'd be happy to take your bankroll off of your hands Borikua. I'll take Hop straight up and you can take Tito straight up.

JoMan Plenty of good fighters have come from Asian countries. The obstacle has always been getting them exposure over here. Mostly in the lighter weight classes though!?

Amuture boxing it must be Cuba, and pro boxing i must be usa

Would you bet on that? :rolleyes: I'll bet my scrotum on that... That's how positive I am that Tito will not only lose, but he'll be outta there quicker than he was last time.

the only thing that the u.s. is better at as far as boxing goes is protecting thier champions from the rest of the worlds finest. and we do this because we have the $$ to do so. the u.s. has perfected boxing? no the u.s. has invested in boxing to make it a corrupt sport. i hate to say it my fellow americans but if from this second on boxing stopped in the u.s. it would live on everywhere else and would probably benefit from it. yes we do churn out some great champs. and yes we have produced some of the greatest. everyone has an arguement about who they feel has the best boxing country but really have no clue about any other country because they have never lived there to see what thier fighters have to go through just to be recognized by the rest of the world. i'm not saying that american fighters don't shed blood sweat and tears but the bottom line here is money. and the u.s. is great at promoting itself as the world leader in boxing. why do you think the best from around the world move to the u.s.? it ain't to fight the best. its to make the money. Much wisdom here, us control boxing so americans have a lot easier way making it in the pro ranks. The dont control amature and there they arent much.

is that true, cuz you mentioned Ukrain after Russia, Ukrain also fights in the ASIAN GAMES but the THAIS are the ASIAN Champs in Boxing, so how you see the Thai fighters now... To be honest i know little about thai fighters.

If you take a look at the history of boxing and think about it, it's plain to see that the USA has produced virtually all of the best fighters in the upper weight divisions and Mexico has produced many of the best fighters in the lower weights. I'd say Mexico is the place to be for a boxing fan; it's still a tremendously popular sport down there and only the best make it to the top. Then they come up here and fight for the big bucks. Puerto Rico? Good fighters, but alas: Hopkins squashed Trinidad. Chavez dissected Camacho. Sanchez mopped the ring with Gomez. The best Puerto Rican fighter was probably Carlos Ortiz. I can't think of many other Puerto Rican legends.