There are a couple different ways to look at this fight, first of which being that both men fought when they should have back in 93(right after Bowe won the title). Had this of happened I believe Bowe would have ripped Lewis up, Lewis still had a lot of growing to do and given the right matchup he could have been beeten by a few different fighters.
The second would be prime for prime, if they could have both fought in there prime I believe it would have been a u pickem, what does everyone think?
I think Bowe is too easy to hit and that would get him into trouble but if it becomes a slugfest and that is possible it happend from time for Lewis Bowe has a chance.
Bowe was clearly afraid of Lewis and wanted no part of him. With that mentality you can't win a fight. Even if he wasn't scared, Lewis was the better fighter.
Lennox's worst enemy was himself, he got ko'd because he didn't take the fighters seriously enough, he left himself open and got caught with a peach against McCall that would have knocked most HWs over. The first Raham fight he turned up wieghing much more than usual, suggesting that he didn't prepare. Against the fighters he perceived to be more dangerous he didn't make those kind of mistakes.
If you want an example of a waste of true talent in boxing, you need not look further than Bowe, he had all the tools. However, I still favour Lewis, a) on the basis that he would have known the dangers of an equal and stayed focused and b) he obviously had the power to ko Bowe in the Amatuers. I would say peak v peak 65:35 in favour of Lewis, factoring in Lewis making mistakes and leaving his chin exposed.
The real shame is that as boxing fans, we were robbed of a potential Ali Frazer rivalry and a three match rubber between them, for the reasons other posters have already explained much better than I could
would have been a good fight I think, to big, strong athletic guys who punch hard, box well, and have great left jabs. Bowe was better on the inside, Lennox had a better right hand from the outside, Lennox was more composed. I think people look to closely at the amateur bout they had, I've watched it, and neither man looked anything like the pro versions of themselves, and it was a typical amateur stoppage...it's not like Bowe got blown away like some people (who prob. haven't even seen the fight) say.
I don't know who'd win, I mean damn Bowe was one tough cookie when he was on top...threw lots of combinations, fought pretty aggressively, took a punch well. Lennox fought at a more relaxed pace, relied on his accuracy, jab, and straight punches...who knows. Woulda made for a good fight though.
Bowe had a 2 fight career. Outside of his two wins against Holyfield he did NOTHING.
Lewis beats him anythime with or without Manny
and trust mne Bowe's people thought Lewis would win also thats they went out of there way to stay as far from Lewis as possible.
I agree. I show Bowe very little love because he had all the tools and didn't use them. Lewis would have ripped it up whether you're British or American, accept the truth. Lewis would have completely destroyed him, which is why Bowe canned the belt.
You have never seen either of Bowe's Fights with Golota. He took so many hard flush punches to the head. Went down twice. He was still fighting back in the 9th round. Lou Duva was shocked at how much punishment Bowe was able to take particularly in the second fight. IN the post the interview he was telling Bowe to immediately go to the hospital to get his head checked out. It was one of the most brutal beatings ever. Bowe was still throwing overhand right bombs in the 9th round. He really wanted to win that fight. He trained his ass off and weiged in at 235 pounds. The second fight with Golota just ruined Bowe. Some people Say Lou Duva is an overrated trainer well Bowe was trained by Eddie Futch. The guy who trained Frazier and alot of other champions and he must have given Bowe the wrong instructions on how to fight Golota because he got beat so bad in that fight to the head.
That was a really good fight. Both guys were down. Low Blows, hitting in the back of the head. But after the 5th round it was just such a brutal one sided beating and Golota especially back then is a big HARD HITTING heavyweight and Bowe took so many flush punches of every kind in that fight. Just the right hook to he took behind the ear in the second round that dropped him should have been enough to KO him. Bowe's corner were gonna throw in the towel in teh 7th round because he was just getting beat so bad. George Foreman said if they stopped the fight they would be correct in doing so. Maybe if they did stop the fight Bowe would not have the braindamage he does.
After that fight Bowe retired and became a total psycho joined the Marine Corps for like 2 weeks got arrested for kidnapping his family at gunpoint, went to prison etc.....
People were so impressed by Golota fight with Bowe. He was the bettng favorite to beat Lewis when they fought shortly after. I still swear some wierd shit went down in the Golota Lewis fight with the lidocaine and everything. The odds on a Lewis first round KO were probably like 45-1.
i saw both fights with bowe/golota... which affirms my theory that bowe was overrated, had terrible defense, poor stamina and a shaky chin... golota is not a huge puncher, he's a good one but not a huge one... bowe was hurt by golota, holy and hide... he avoided big KO punchers like moorer, ruddock, morrison, lewis, tua, mercer, mccall, etc... lewis would have KO'd bowe...
Lewis would have won at any point in time, simply because he was in Bowe's head, and Bowe was afraid of him.
Maybe it had to do with Lewis stopping Bowe in the Olympics, or maybe Bowe always was a bit flakey.
Either way, he was genuinly afraid of Lewis.
After the first Bowe Holyfield fight (Lewis did commentary) Lewis confronted Bowe after the fight, and told him several times right to his face that he was going to knock him out again. Bowe said to Lewis and to the camera that he wanted revenge, and that he'd fight Lewis next.
Not only did he go back on that, he later literally gave up his belt rather than face Lewis.
For whatever reason, Lewis had a mental edge over Bowe, and that would have translated into a bad loss for Bowe no matter where or when they fought.
lewis wins easy.... bowe had terrible defense, you couldnt miss him... bowe was a great offensive fighter, but he didnt have a great chin and defense was crap, he was floored by holy and hurt by hide.... he was protected and never fought power punchers(ruddock, morrison, mercer, moorer)... he built his rep on fighting smaller(holy), older(dokes/fergueson) and sorrier men(hide, gonzalez, mathis)... rock newman knew what he had and kept bowe from fighting the dangerous guys...
You have never seen either of Bowe's Fights with Golota. He took so many hard flush punches to the head. Went down twice. He was still fighting back in the 9th round. Lou Duva was shocked at how much punishment Bowe was able to take particularly in the second fight. IN the post the interview he was telling Bowe to immediately go to the hospital to get his head checked out. It was one of the most brutal beatings ever. Bowe was still throwing overhand right bombs in the 9th round. He really wanted to win that fight. He trained his ass off and weiged in at 235 pounds. The second fight with Golota just ruined Bowe. Some people Say Lou Duva is an overrated trainer well Bowe was trained by Eddie Futch. The guy who trained Frazier and alot of other champions and he must have given Bowe the wrong instructions on how to fight Golota because he got beat so bad in that fight to the head.
That was a really good fight. Both guys were down. Low Blows, hitting in the back of the head. But after the 5th round it was just such a brutal one sided beating and Golota especially back then is a big HARD HITTING heavyweight and Bowe took so many flush punches of every kind in that fight. Just the right hook to he took behind the ear in the second round that dropped him should have been enough to KO him. Bowe's corner were gonna throw in the towel in teh 7th round because he was just getting beat so bad. George Foreman said if they stopped the fight they would be correct in doing so. Maybe if they did stop the fight Bowe would not have the braindamage he does.
After that fight Bowe retired and became a total psycho joined the Marine Corps for like 2 weeks got arrested for kidnapping his family at gunpoint, went to prison etc.....
People were so impressed by Golota fight with Bowe. He was the bettng favorite to beat Lewis when they fought shortly after. I still swear some wierd shit went down in the Golota Lewis fight with the lidocaine and everything. The odds on a Lewis first round KO were probably like 45-1.
Holy's skills were clearly diminished. He was coming off those nice wins but he was definitely on the downside of his career. Lennox was entering his second prime at that point IMO.
I think, if I can only look at 1 version of Lewis and 1 version of Bowe...that Bowe would beat Lewis in a close fight. That's basing it off the Bowe that fought and beat Holy and the Lewis that fought and punished Tyson/Rahman. I can definitely see Lewis beating Bowe too however because we only got to see Bowes best for 1 fight. Still, IMO Bowes best form was better than Lewis' best form.
i cant say it better, a prime bowe surely beat a prime lewis, prime bowe would beat prime lewis 2/3times. and holyfield first fight vs lewis he wasent old, lewis just got his number. lewis is definitly one of the greatest.
and the "lack of heart and discipline" excuse is weak, i've already proved that he was in shape when he was getting his ass handed to him
bowe went up a lot after the fight and went down before the fight, it effect his stamina because of weight lost, its like roy jones vs tarver he went down from heavyweight to light heavy weight and jones got ko.
i disgree cause its basing bowe on one night against holy, when holy was fighting the wrong fight.... bowe never showed that again in his entire career, cause you cant count all the bums he fought....
also about holy and lewis, i agree holy wasn't in his prime, but he wasn't an old dinosaur, like some people are trying to say.... holy was the favorite to win and he just beaten two multi-time world champions.. he looked just as good beating tyson and moorer then at any time in his career....
funny how people say holy was old and past his prime when he fought lewis, but holy was the favorite going into the fight and had just beaten tyson twice and KO'd moorer.... not to mention lewis was 34 when they fought, so he wasnt a spring chicken either...
Holy's skills were clearly diminished. He was coming off those nice wins but he was definitely on the downside of his career. Lennox was entering his second prime at that point IMO.
I think, if I can only look at 1 version of Lewis and 1 version of Bowe...that Bowe would beat Lewis in a close fight. That's basing it off the Bowe that fought and beat Holy and the Lewis that fought and punished Tyson/Rahman. I can definitely see Lewis beating Bowe too however because we only got to see Bowes best for 1 fight. Still, IMO Bowes best form was better than Lewis' best form.
funny how people say holy was old and past his prime when he fought lewis, but holy was the favorite going into the fight and had just beaten tyson twice and KO'd moorer.... not to mention lewis was 34 when they fought, so he wasnt a spring chicken either...
Bowe whips any version of lewis . Bowe beat prime holyfield, lewis nearly lost to an old well past his prime holyfield . So therefore logic tells me that prime bowe whips prime lewis , throw in lewis chin and lewis lasts about 3 rounds at most .
bowe had significant height and reach advantages on holy.... also, holy is not a big puncher, but had bowe out on his feet...
bowe looked great against holy, but lewis is an entirely different fighter... lewis wont rumble with bowe on the inside like holy did in that one fight... i dont know if stamina is one of bowe's weaknesses, but i'd say that his crappy defense is...