Joe Calzaghe Would Continue if Knocked Out Like Hatton

[Equinox]

of course he would, $$$$$$

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Show me one post in this thread that calls him an ATG or legend in world terms. No one in this thread has said that, so why all the hate? You seem to be reacting to posts that were posted in some other thread rather than this one.

He's a sure fire Hall of Famer, he was a great fighter, and in strictly UK terms he is rated by most in the top 5 of all time, so in strictly UK terms he's an ATG and a legend; but I wouldn't rate him as an ATG in world terms, and I certainly wouldn't call him a legend in world terms, because of his resume.

But you go to the opposite extreme, and in my book, haters and nuthuggers are cut from the same cloth as each other, and are two sides of the same coin. Just because you don't like the nuthuggers (none of whom have posted in this thread) doesn't give you an excuse to be an irrational hater.

Just b/c a person takes one side of the argument doesnt necessarily mean we are "haters" or biased.

U remind me of tony kornheiser on PTI, a spineless twerp. U try so hard to not have a opinion while having a show about having your opinion. Then when people give their opinion (michael wilbon) u blast it & dissect it multi quoting it **** for having a opinion.

This is a blog to express how people feel about the article or whatever it is they are talking about.

U cant wait to pounce on someone's opinion while trying to so hard to stay neutral. U go on & on without giving your own opinion.

Get off your high horse brah.

[Dave Rado]

Calzaghe is a very good fighter. A very good champion. Hall of famer. nothing more, nothing less.


But i have heard on occasion calzaghe talking about he's one of the greatest figthers of all time & i have seen plenty of joe huggers claim legend status based on beating roy & bernard & the undefeated record.

I've never heard Calzaghe say that - do you have a link?

As for the huggers, they weren't posting in this thread.

He's one of the greatest British fighters of all time - but certainly not because of his win over a very faded Jones, and not primarily because of his undefeated record. The undefeated record does mean more than some say it does, though. A lot of great fighters have lost to inferior fighters. Lewis lost to McCall and Rahman - he avenged both, but the point is, he lost. Duran lost to Kirkland Laing, for goodness sakes. Calzaghe always found a way to win, even though he fought some fights with a broken or badly injured hand, including in his fight against a prime Robin Reid; and even though he had off nights in others. That's quite an achievement over such a long period. And unlike Ottke, none of his wins were due to hometown bias by the ref and judges.

And as Samurai pointed out, his resume pre-Lacy wasn't nearly as bad as some claim it was. It is comparable with Hopkins' resume pre-Trinidad. Brewer, Mitchell, a prime Reid, Eubank and Woodhall were all solid wins. Not Hall of Fame standard, but very solid.

He showed superb ring generalship and tactical intelligence in the ring, with an exceptional ability to change tactics mid-fight when necessary. His hand speed was incredible for someone of that weight. He punched harder than people give him credit for, especially early in his career, before he had to find a way to protect his fragile hands. He had 33 KOs, 10 fights ended in the first round. 8 fights ended in the second round. For someone who had chronic and serious wrist problems for most of his career, that's quite an achievement.

He also held Ring and lineal titles in two weight divisions simultaneously.

I don't rate him as one of the 100 greatest fighters of all time, although some people whom I respect, and who are not Calzaghe fans, do rate him somewhere in the region of 80-100 of all time - so although he certainly isn't comparable to a Ray Leonard or an Ali, he is arguably just about there or thereabouts in terms of just getting into the ATG lists.

[Dave Rado]

Just b/c a person takes one side of the argument doesnt necessarily mean we are "haters" or biased.

I have never criticised you for taking one side of an argument, only for showing extreme bias in some of your earlier posts in this thread, and for reacting to things that hadn't even been posted in this thread.

U cant wait to pounce on someone's opinion while trying to so hard to stay neutral. U go on & on without giving your own opinion.

I never hide my opinion. And I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, as long as they back up what they say with facts or rational analysis.

Get off your high horse brah.

You keep saying that, but I don't see how preferring rational discussion to prejudice and shooting from the hip is being on a high horse.

[Iceta]

Hatton needs to get credit for fighting Mayweather and Pacquiao when the fights mattered. Calzaghe fought Hopkins and Jones when the fights were meaningless. Hopkins might have been a formidable opponent at the time but he wasn't at his peak. I respect Hatton a lot more than I do Calzaghe. American fight fans should appreciate what Hatton did to be honest. I think Hatton was a very good fighter in his prime but that fast living probably caught up to him. I view his win over Tszyu as a little bit underrated and overatted at the same time. Obviously he got some biased officiating in his favor but he took some bombs from Kosta and didn't even flinch it seemed like. That goes to show you that now his punch resistance is totally gone.

[mathed]

1-yes i am new here. look at the join date.

2-Lacy can fight a 40 year b/c & we dont give him **** about it b/c Jeff Lacy & his fans (if there are any) dont claim all time greatness & legendary status.

Calzaghe & his fans meanwhile are another story. They act as if the whole freaking boxing community should just automatically give calzghe all time great & legendary status based on beating kessler,lacy, & a 39 & 43 year old roy & bernard & a undefeated record.

I dont think so brah.

& I dont need your approval brah.

Ive asked u several times where u are from but u dont wanna tell me.

Calzaghe smoked Manfredo (the guy had no chance at all), he has won 6 of his last 8 fights since the Zags fight and his losses have come against Bika and Lacy both of which Zags smoked as well.

After the Calzaghe loss, Lacy has gone 4-1 with his only loss coming to Jermain Taylor.

Bika has gone 7-1 since the Calzaghe fight and has looked impressive while doing it with his only loss being a decision loss to Bute.

Kessler has gone 2-0 regaining the WBA belt since the loss to Calzaghe.

BHOP went on to dominate a 27 yr old Kelly Pavlik after Calzaghe beat him

Calzaghe was good and he deserves more credit for the guys that he beat, they lose to him but continue to win against other competition proof that Calzaghes opponents are not all bums as others proclaim

[IMDAZED]

Calzaghe smoked Manfredo (the guy had no chance at all), he has won 6 of his last 8 fights since the Zags fight and his losses have come against Bika and Lacy both of which Zags smoked as well.

After the Calzaghe loss, Lacy has gone 4-1 with his only loss coming to Jermain Taylor.

Bika has gone 7-1 since the Calzaghe fight and has looked impressive while doing it with his only loss being a decision loss to Bute.

Kessler has gone 2-0 regaining the WBA belt since the loss to Calzaghe.

BHOP went on to dominate a 27 yr old Kelly Pavlik after Calzaghe beat him

Calzaghe was good and he deserves more credit for the guys that he beat, they lose to him but continue to win against other competition proof that Calzaghes opponents are not all bums as others proclaim

What did all of these wins after losing to Calzaghe tell you that you didn't know before? That Jeff Lacy could "beat" Otis Griffin?

[mathed]

What did all of these wins after losing to Calzaghe tell you that you didn't know before? That Jeff Lacy could "beat" Otis Griffin?

Everybody says that Calzaghe fought past-their-prime bums and is over-rated.

I think he beat who he beat and earned his record and those same "losers" that he beat have since gone on to succeed except when confronted with other "top" contenders as they are ranked by their respective organizations.

People are always making a big deal about the age of his opposition but he was nearing forty himself and some how unless he stomped every up and coming 20 yr old he is a bum....what a joke.

I want you guys to hold the same standard of thinking and assessment when your "favorite boxer" is nearing forty himself. Calzaghe haters

[daggum]

Everybody says that Calzaghe fought past-their-prime bums and is over-rated.

I think he beat who he beat and earned his record and those same "losers" that he beat have since gone on to succeed except when confronted with other "top" contenders as they are ranked by their respective organizations.

People are always making a big deal about the age of his opposition but he was nearing forty himself and some how unless he stomped every up and coming 20 yr old he is a bum....what a joke.

I want you guys to hold the same standard of thinking and assessment when your "favorite boxer" is nearing forty himself. Calzaghe haters

calzaghe was 36. a near 50 year old hopkins should have beat calzaghe. sad huh.

[mathed]

no he didn't.

People are always making a big deal about the age of his opposition but he was nearing forty himself and some how unless he stomped every up and coming 20 yr old he is a bum....what a joke.

Here, I highlighted the rest of the statement you neglected to read or just ignored for your benefit!!