ESPNs ATG list: Which ATG boxers were undefeated?

[| THE KING |]

Here's the list of ESPNs top 20 ATG boxers (2007). Which ones were undefeated?

ATG Boxers:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman

Let's take it a step further.

Fighter of the Decade List:

1950s Sugar Ray Robinson
1960s Muhamad Ali
1970s Roberto Duran
1980s Sugar Ray Leonard
1990s Roy Jones Jr.
2000s Manny Pacquiao

Todays p4p list..


The Rings Top p4p list:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Shane Mosl
6. Paul Williams
7. Sergio Martinez
8. Pongsaklek Wonj
9. Fernando Montiel
10. Wladimir Klitschko

Here is a list of boxers that had retired with an undefeated record.

Retired Undefeated:
1. Rocky Marciano: 49-0
2. Joe Calzaghe 46-0
3. Samson Dutch Boy Gym 43-0
4. Sven Ottke 34-0
5. Michael Loewe: 28-0
6. Edwin Valero: 27-0
7. George Kandelaki 24-0
8. Pichit Sitbangprachan 24-0
9. Harry Simon 25-0
10. Scott Daley 24-0
11. Jemal Hinton 22-0
12. Ike Ibeabuchi 20-0
13. Kirk Daley 19-0
14. Jimmy Barry 59-0-10
15. Ricardo Lopez 51-0-1
16. Edson Pedro Nascimento 47-0-1
17. Agustin Senin 42-0-1
18. Jack McAuliffe 34-0-7
19. Laszlo Papp 27-0-2

Great company? You have a couple big names there though, I will admit..


Remaining undefeated is definitely an accomplishment..but is it really a true indication of the greatness of a fighter?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Remaining undefeated is definitely an accomplishment..but is it really a true indication of the greatness of a fighter?

That would depend on the opposition faced.

[Gino Ros]

Here's the list of ESPNs top 20 ATG boxers (2007). Which ones were undefeated?

ATG Boxers:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman

Let's take it a step further.

Fighter of the Decade List:

1950s Sugar Ray Robinson
1960s Muhamad Ali
1970s Roberto Duran
1980s Sugar Ray Leonard
1990s Roy Jones Jr.
2000s Manny Pacquiao

Todays p4p list..


The Rings Top p4p list:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Shane Mosl
6. Paul Williams
7. Sergio Martinez
8. Pongsaklek Wonj
9. Fernando Montiel
10. Wladimir Klitschko

Here is a list of boxers that had retired with an undefeated record.

Retired Undefeated:
1. Rocky Marciano: 49-0
2. Joe Calzaghe 46-0
3. Samson Dutch Boy Gym 43-0
4. Sven Ottke 34-0
5. Michael Loewe: 28-0
6. Edwin Valero: 27-0
7. George Kandelaki 24-0
8. Pichit Sitbangprachan 24-0
9. Harry Simon 25-0
10. Scott Daley 24-0
11. Jemal Hinton 22-0
12. Ike Ibeabuchi 20-0
13. Gurcharan Singh 20-0
14. Kirk Daley 19-0
15. Jimmy Barry 59-0-10
16. Ricardo Lopez 51-0-1
17. Edson Pedro Nascimento 47-0-1
18. Agustin Senin 42-0-1
19. Jack McAuliffe 34-0-7
20. Laszlo Papp 27-0-2



Remaining undefeated is definitely an accomplishment..but is it really a true indication of the greatness of a fighter?

this is a good list. did they only do top 20 or did they do more?

do uou have a link please

[Heeb]

It's a pretty big accomplishment for someone like Rocky Marciano, but for someone like Sven Ottke....not so much.

[paulsinghnl]

a true champion rises up from defeat. i think the finest form of Mayweather will come with that fearlessness and acceptance of 'damn, i've been defeated, now i need to show the world that i am still the greatest'. and evolve from that loss.

but then again, the 0 is just his marketing ploy. it's become mythical like it used to be with Fedor, which makes him more money! so.. kudo's to u, money may.

[Steak]

ESPNs list kind of sucks though. Jack Johnson #9? Jack Dempsey #8? and ahead of Langford too...surely that list isnt based on in-ring accomplishments.

[Gino Ros]

Here is a list of boxers that had retired with an undefeated record.

Retired Undefeated:
1. Rocky Marciano: 49-0
2. Joe Calzaghe 46-0
3. Samson Dutch Boy Gym 43-0
4. Sven Ottke 34-0
5. Michael Loewe: 28-0
6. Edwin Valero: 27-0
7. George Kandelaki 24-0
8. Pichit Sitbangprachan 24-0
9. Harry Simon 25-0
10. Scott Daley 24-0
11. Jemal Hinton 22-0
12. Ike Ibeabuchi 20-0
13. Gurcharan Singh 20-0
14. Kirk Daley 19-0
15. Jimmy Barry 59-0-10
16. Ricardo Lopez 51-0-1
17. Edson Pedro Nascimento 47-0-1
18. Agustin Senin 42-0-1
19. Jack McAuliffe 34-0-7
20. Laszlo Papp 27-0-2

floyd retired undefeated. every time manny wanted to fight him

hahahaha

[FLOYDTHEGREAT]

let me quess, are you referring to a guy who has feathers on his butt?

[The Hammer]

13. Gurcharan Singh 20-0

Gurcharan Singh was stopped by Timor Ibragimov a couple of weeks ago.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...4684&cat=boxer

He is now 20-1.

[| THE KING |]

That would depend on the opposition faced.

You do have a point. There's seems to be a preconceived notion that being undefeated (retiring undefeated) is the pinnacle of achievements. Though it seems that this may be true more-so for the mainstream (non hardcore) boxing fans, many posters on BS whom I see as legitimate boxing fans, fall in line with that way of thinking.