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Originally posted by RedZmaja View PostWho the hell cares about having a strong economy? It's better to be poor and preserve you national honor than be rich and end up like Germany or Sweden.
I couldn't care less about money as long as I can get the basic things I need. Back in socialist Eastern Europe we had everything we needed. Sports were valued highly, strong military, the national ideal was strong men who could defend their nation. There was a lot of solidarity among people. Maybe the economies weren't as effective but at the end of the day people got food on the table. So you wouldn't have useless trash like iphones, who cares?
We also had a healthy birth rate. Look at what happened after socialism was replaced:
Germany and Italy have horrible military btw. Socialist countries had a much stronger military. France and Britain have something resembling an army but the rest of Europe not really (bar Russia of course).
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Originally posted by 2Fast View PostAre you ******ed? That graph clearly shows that the birth rate was declining for 50 years. It started to declines after all the lefty comunists took over eastern europe
Also, I never argued that socialism was better than the regimes that existed before the communist takeover (nationalist pro-religious regimes). It was only better compared to what came afterwards (liberal capitalism).Last edited by RedZmaja; 12-25-2017, 06:49 AM.
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Originally posted by RedZmaja View PostThe graph starts when the communist regimes were already implemented. The birth rates were high right after the WWII then it normalized. After the socialist regimes were destroyed the decline immediately started. The bottomline is that the socialist regimes had healthy birthrates and didn't need immigration. Which is why Eastern Europe is still ethnically clean unlike the degenerated West.
Also, I never argued that socialism was better than the regimes that existed before the communist takeover (nationalist pro-religious regimes). It was only better compared to what came afterwards (liberal capitalism).
Are you a lefty commie?
Communists destroyed russia and eastern europe. Why do you Love them So much?
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Originally posted by 2Fast View PostDude the birth rate started to decline in the 50’s. What graph are you looking at?
Are you a lefty commie?
Communists destroyed russia and eastern europe. Why do you Love them So much?
Most Russians surveyed want the soviet union to return.
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Originally posted by 2Fast View PostDude the birth rate started to decline in the 50’s. What graph are you looking at?
The population trend was positive in communist systems, there was no sharp decline from the mid 60s to late 80s. 0.5 is about right and where is should be, no need to overpopulate countries either.
Are you a lefty commie?
Communists destroyed russia and eastern europe. Why do you Love them So much?
The "communist" systems in Eastern Europe built strong nationalist totalitarian systems. The ideals of those countries were strong men and strong military. There was no LGBT movement, no feminism, no consumerism, no "minorities", no capitalist individualism, no organized crime, no sex trafficking and so on and so on. Men had to serve in the army and learn how to defend their nation, criminals and other scum was dealt with, streets were clean and safe, sports were supported, there was a lot of solidarity and support for people from the lower classes which is in line with the nationalist ideals of national solidarity.
Those systems had nothing to do with "left wing". Historically, capitalism is "left wing". Capitalism was enabled by the liberalism of the French revolution, the original "left wing", while the "ring wing" reactionaries defended a more socialist-like old regime.
I couldn't care less if originally those communist parties were nominally marxist, in praxis they governed their countries like nationalists. Marxism only existed on paper, it was just an excuse to have strong authoritarian regimes.
How the hell did communism destroy Russia when the Soviet Union was a strong superpower that defeated Nazi Germany?
Capitalistic liberalism destroyed Western Europe and flooded it with immigrants as well as fostering individualistic social rights movememnts. Those movements would be persecuted in socialist Eastern Europe. If people would be organizing gay pride parades and similar degenerate garbage they would be beaten up brutally by the police and accused of being bourgeois deviants and conspiring with the enemies of the state or something like this. That's why there was no "gay movement" or similar rights group in Eastern Europe, they would be seen as western agents and deviants and persecuted brutally.
How did communism destroy Eastern Europe when Eastern Europe is ethnically clean now and much less liberal in every aspect? While on the other hand the capitalist Western Europe has been completely devastated.
You can't be a nationalist and support capitalism. Some form of socialism is necessary.Last edited by RedZmaja; 12-25-2017, 01:12 PM.
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Originally posted by RedZmaja View PostThe communists took over in 1945. The graph starts in 1951.
The population trend was positive in communist systems, there was no sharp decline from the mid 60s to late 80s. 0.5 is about right and where is should be, no need to overpopulate countries either.
Left and right wing distinction doesn't mean **** in Eastern Europe. It has been forced and never had any meaning. I am a Slavic nationalist and traditionalist. I don't care about left and right, there should be no place for either of them. I want a strong totalitarian system where the entire nation would be represented as an organic unity. No place for right wing or left wing divisiveness.
The "communist" systems in Eastern Europe built strong nationalist totalitarian systems. The ideals of those countries were strong men and strong military. There was no LGBT movement, no feminism, no consumerism, no "minorities", no capitalist individualism, no organized crime, no sex trafficking and so on and so on. Men had to serve in the army and learn how to defend their nation, criminals and other scum was dealt with, streets were clean and safe, sports were supported, there was a lot of solidarity and support for people from the lower classes which is in line with the nationalist ideals of national solidarity.
Those systems had nothing to do with "left wing". Historically, capitalism is "left wing". Capitalism was enabled by the liberalism of the French revolution, the original "left wing", while the "ring wing" reactionaries defended a more socialist-like old regime.
I couldn't care less if originally those communist parties were nominally marxist, in praxis they governed their countries like nationalists. Marxism only existed on paper, it was just an excuse to have strong authoritarian regimes.
How the hell did communism destroy Russia when the Soviet Union was a strong superpower that defeated Nazi Germany?
Capitalistic liberalism destroyed Western Europe and flooded it with immigrants as well as fostering individualistic social rights movememnts. Those movements would be persecuted in socialist Eastern Europe. If people would be organizing gay pride parades and similar degenerate garbage they would be beaten up brutally by the police and accused of being bourgeois deviants and conspiring with the enemies of the state or something like this. That's why there was no "gay movement" or similar rights group in Eastern Europe, they would be seen as western agents and deviants and persecuted brutally.
How did communism destroy Eastern Europe when Eastern Europe is ethnically clean now and much less liberal in every aspect? While on the other hand the capitalist Western Europe has been completely devastated.
You can't be a nationalist and support capitalism. Some form of socialism is necessary.
You believe in traditionalism? Like when communists destroyed russian churches and burned old russian books.
You have no idea what communism is and what people were behind the communist movement in russian.
I think you are more of a conservative monarchist instead of a communist.
BTW the communists killed the russian monarchs just so you know
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Originally posted by RedZmaja View PostThe communists took over in 1945. The graph starts in 1951.
The population trend was positive in communist systems, there was no sharp decline from the mid 60s to late 80s. 0.5 is about right and where is should be, no need to overpopulate countries either.
Are we looking at the same graph?
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Originally posted by 2Fast View PostHow old are you? you have no idea what your talking about.
You believe in traditionalism? Like when communists destroyed russian churches and burned old russian books.
You have no idea what communism is and what people were behind the communist movement in russian.
I think you are more of a conservative monarchist instead of a communist.
BTW the communists killed the russian monarchs just so you know
Obviously I would prefer some religious traditional society over anything "communist", but after the WWII there were only two choices: liberal capitalism or socialist totalitarianism. The latter was far far better and it's clear to see when you compare Western and Eastern Europe. Things like massive immigration, cultural marxism, liberal SJWs, LGBT movement, feminism, consumerism etc. They all originated in the post-WWII capitalist west, we didn't have any contact with that until the 90s.
When it comes to religion, the communists did persecute the Church at some point but so did the Western capitalist democracies, just in more subtle ways. At the end of the day more people remained religious in Eastern Europe than in Western Europe. Countries like Spain and Italy became totally atheistic in the last 5 decades despite not having a communist government.
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