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  • #61
    Originally posted by JimRaynor View Post
    To say that China is un apologetically Marxist and socialist, while they have overwhelmingly the highest number of foreign based businesses, all of whom are allowed to operate on a market economy, is beyond an oxymoron.

    Since the turn of the century all their state owned enterprises have gradually become privatized, that is the complete opposite of Marxism.
    The Chinese today have one of the most freest market economies in the whole world, in many ways more so than the USA, because they have a fraction of the regulations.

    The only thing remaining socialist about China today is the fact that they own all of the land as well as a good number of nationalized industries, but each year those industries increasingly become privatized, and I have a feeling it won't be long until the same starts happening with land.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo.../#5b95ee1d5f60
    Let me try this again.

    China is socialist (i.e., strong institutions like healthcare, education, enormous public works, government dominance of strategic industries, state-owned enterprises across sectors, etc., etc., etc.); and unapologetically Marxist (they teach Marxism in their schools, they apply it to their politics, they consider abiding by Marxist principles a public virtue in politics, etc., etc., etc.)

    Also, they haven't privatized all state owned enterprises, you made that up, I'm afraid. The state owned enterprises and the private ones all compete against one another.

    The commie Chinese are out-competing the Americans at their own game. The cognitive dissonance this triggers among the fanboys of the global Western elite is palpable.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by JimRaynor View Post
      How exactly is the Chinese government interfering with Apples, Googles, and Miscrosofts production of products aside from collecting taxes?
      Well, for starters, Google is banned in China.

      They couldn't have it competing too much with Baidu; nor, could they allow all the incipient spying tools embedded in google to permeate Chinese society (the Chinese are very effective at spying on the web activities of people there, but it isn't like they don't do it in the US as well.)

      Anyhow, how are they interfering with Google's profits? They block google on Chinese internet.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Virgil Caine View Post
        Let me try this again.

        China is socialist (i.e., strong institutions like healthcare, education, enormous public works, government dominance of strategic industries, state-owned enterprises across sectors, etc., etc., etc.); and unapologetically Marxist (they teach Marxism in their schools, they apply it to their politics, they consider abiding by Marxist principles a public virtue in politics, etc., etc., etc.)

        Also, they haven't privatized all state owned enterprises, you made that up, I'm afraid. The state owned enterprises and the private ones all compete against one another.

        The commie Chinese are out-competing the Americans at their own game. The cognitive dissonance this triggers among the fanboys of the global Western elite is palpable.
        I didn't make that up because I never claimed it. The truth is that each year China privatizes more and more state owned companies, it is a self evident fact.

        China can preach whatever it wants to preach in school about marxism, but the reality is that they don't practice what they preach because today they are one of the most capitalistic countries in the world.

        Strong institutions like healthcare, public works, education, ie you mean what every single self proclaimed capitalistic country from Germany to Canada has as well?
        How strong was their education, public works, and healthcare prior to embracing capitalism? It was pure **** that's how strong it was, it's gotten a lot better in the past 30 years, but China's healthcare system is still ****, they rank like 140th in the world, in addition to being one of the most polluted countries in the world, their overall education index of their general population is significantly lower than Europe, USA, Japan, or Canada.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Virgil Caine View Post
          Well, for starters, Google is banned in China.

          They couldn't have it competing too much with Baidu; nor, could they allow all the incipient spying tools embedded in google to permeate Chinese society (the Chinese are very effective at spying on the web activities of people there, but it isn't like they don't do it in the US as well.)

          Anyhow, how are they interfering with Google's profits? They block google on Chinese internet.
          Fine, google china is an exemption since the communist regime enjoys censorship. How are they interfering/controlling Apple's or Microsofts profits.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by JimRaynor View Post
            I didn't make that up because I never claimed it. The truth is that each year China privatizes more and more state owned companies, it is a self evident fact.

            China can preach whatever it wants to preach in school about marxism, but the reality is that they don't practice what they preach because today they are one of the most capitalistic countries in the world.

            Strong institutions like healthcare, public works, education, ie you mean what every single self proclaimed capitalistic country from Germany to Canada has as well?
            How strong was their education, public works, and healthcare prior to embracing capitalism? It was pure **** that's how strong it was, it's gotten a lot better in the past 30 years, but China's healthcare system is still ****, they rank like 140th in the world, in addition to being one of the most polluted countries in the world, their overall education index of their general population is significantly lower than Europe, USA, Japan, or Canada.

            Capitalism is typified by the control of production, resources, distribution, etc., by private owners of capital.

            In China, the government is dominant.

            The institutions I mentioned are socialist institutions. That they also exist in the West doesn't change that, because all economies are actually mixed.

            China is not a command economy, but the government controls everything, and also sets the agenda with respect to economic development. The degree of control China exerts isn't possible in the West, because of the institutions of control, which typify the Chinese political-economy.

            China is a communist country. This doesn't conform with the Cold War ideology which says communism is unfeasible, so the fanboys of the global Western elite have to attempt to devise an alternative reality.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by JimRaynor View Post
              Fine, google china is an exemption since the communist regime enjoys censorship. How are they interfering/controlling Apple's or Microsofts profits.
              That's also easy.

              Intellectual property theft.

              The lack of 'respect' for intellectual property rights in China is a constant source of controversy, for years now.

              Funny, you just called the Chinese regime communist.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Virgil Caine View Post
                That's also easy.

                Intellectual property theft.

                The lack of 'respect' for intellectual property rights in China is a constant source of controversy, for years now.

                Funny, you just called the Chinese regime communist.
                They are still socially communist, I am not disputing that. Authoritarian and aren't afraid to ban and silence any entity they do not like. However, economically they are not communist by any stretch, not anymore.

                Stealing intellectual property is not the same as telling Apple how to run its business or taking over it's production, which is a true mark of economic communism.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by JimRaynor View Post
                  They are still socially communist, I am not disputing that. Authoritarian and aren't afraid to ban and silence any entity they do not like. However, economically they are not communist by any stretch, not anymore.

                  Stealing intellectual property is not the same as telling Apple how to run its business or taking over it's production, which is a true mark of economic communism.
                  The Foxcon factories where they install nets to try to prevent suicides you mean?

                  China had ought to take that **** over, and might eventually. But I guess that the revenues generated are too great. China has never been shy about asking their people to make sacrifices. Not defending it, just saying it is what it is.

                  The Taiwanese company Foxconn, which manufactures Apple products in sweat shops in China, is hardly a shining example of Chinese capitalism. More like an instance where a pocket of an immensely concentrated site of exploitative capitalist production is enabled, for tactical purposes.

                  By the way, China is also a place where they still put corrupt bankers against the wall.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by megas30 View Post
                    Xoo, Your people are just trying to survive.
                    They're not trying at all.

                    Let them be. The minus birthrate has been a problem for them, so i guess they found a temporary solution in immigration.
                    Japan and South Korea have negative birth rates. You don't see them engaging in this insanity.

                    The immigrant men will impregnate your women for you and the kids will be Europeans. It is one for humanity.
                    For the good of humanity, all blacks must die out. Does that sound very persuasive to you? I'm being sarcastic here (a little bit) so don't cry to the mods and get them to ban me.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Zaroku View Post
                      But, you guys are getting Islam & the Koran!
                      Hahahahahahahaha...
                      Maybe after that they'll nuke Israel.

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