Official 2013-2014 NBA Season Thread

[4Corners]

Duncan won 2 titles without elite talent. Robinson was broken down and old in 2003, Parker and Ginobili were young and little more than potential, and Elliot wasn't there. That was all Duncan and Pop. 2005 was better because Parker and Ginobili were better, but they still weren't elite or great, they were just good.

1999 or 2007 weren't exactly loaded either, not compared to the Lakers teams Kobe won with. Every Kobe title team was more talented than Duncan's in 2003 or 2005, and no Kobe title team depended on him the way the Spurs did for those titles. Duncan was the gear spinning the whole team.

David Robinson was still a double double average in 99. Avery Johnson wasn't half bad either that year.

The 2003 team was deep too. Bruce Bowen was one of the best lock down defenders ever, Stephen Jackson and Tony Parker hadn't really come into their own yet, but were still big reasons why that team won.

And then in 2005 and 2007 he had Ginobli and Parker still, as well as Bowen still playing lock down D. And this year, Parker is still playing well, as is Ginobli. And Leonard really came into his own.

The Spurs have always had deep teams since Pop turned them around. They have a ton of guys that do a little bit of everything. That's why they're so consistent winning 50+ games all the time. That and Duncan never had to endure losing Tony Parker or Manu to toher teams, and playing with the likes of Kwami Brown, Devon George, Luke Walton, etc.

People want to talk about Kobe running Shaq out of town.....but even years later Shaq would go on to say he left because of money. Shaq wanted an unreasonable amount of money from LA given his age. He was 32 years old, and LA knew he only had a few elite years left.

And don't even try to tell me that Pau Gasol is a higher level teammate to play with than Tony Parker. Gasol was key to the Lakers, along with Kobe, in winning back to back titles and going to three in a row. But c'mon.....Gasol or Parker??? Parker is easily the better all time player.

Both guys are great. But Duncan has significantly fallen off statistically, hasn't average 20-10 since 2007. Kobe up until 14 months ago was still dropping ridiculous numbers on par with what he'd been doing for 14 years. Both played with great players and great teams, with great coaches. But yet you guys are trying to act like Duncan was some lone wolf......I've never heard anyone go that full ****** before about the Spurs. You guys are slighting everyone that was key in the Spurs success the last 15 years.

What's the last "elite" season Duncan had??? Probably 2008 or 2009. Kobe may not be elite anymore, we'll find out when he comes back. But he was elite from 1999-2013 every single year.

[The Tase]

Duncan won 2 titles without elite talent. Robinson was broken down and old in 2003, Parker and Ginobili were young and little more than potential, and Elliot wasn't there. That was all Duncan and Pop. 2005 was better because Parker and Ginobili were better, but they still weren't elite or great, they were just good.

1999 or 2007 weren't exactly loaded either, not compared to the Lakers teams Kobe won with. Every Kobe title team was more talented than Duncan's in 2003 or 2005, and no Kobe title team depended on him the way the Spurs did for those titles. Duncan was the gear spinning the whole team.

but parker and ginobili were there.

they contributed.

and they are going TO THE HALL OF FAME.

you act as if they sat and did nothing on the court and Duncan did everything. Not true. Hell duncan had more talent than lone all star hakeem did when hakeem won his first title. Detroit no all star title team probably had better collective talent than duncan's non all star teammate championship year. nevertheless, duncan had ginobili and parker.

Fact of the matter is, Duncan is the luckiest player IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA.

He had robinson who was a hall of famer when he came in and he had two future hall of famers in parker and ginobili his entire career.

NO PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE NBA HAS EVER HAD A FIRST CLASS COACH, GM, ORGANIZATION, AND FIRST CLASS TEAMMATES THEIR ENTIRE CAREER!!!!!!!

Would duncan be duncan had the celtics drated him instead of pop and the spurs?

Duncan is the GOAT power forward but there were clearly greater individual players than him. Kobe is one of them.

[bojangles1987]

but parker and ginobili were there.

they contributed.

and they are going TO THE HALL OF FAME.

you act as if they sat and did nothing on the court and Duncan did everything. Not true. Hell duncan had more talent than lone all star hakeem did when hakeem won his first title. Detroit no all star title team probably had better collective talent than duncan's non all star teammate championship year. nevertheless, duncan had ginobili and parker.

Fact of the matter is, Duncan is the luckiest player IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA.

He had robinson who was a hall of famer when he came in and he had two future hall of famers in parker and ginobili his entire career.

NO PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE NBA HAS EVER HAD A FIRST CLASS COACH, GM, ORGANIZATION, AND FIRST CLASS TEAMMATES THEIR ENTIRE CAREER!!!!!!!

Would duncan be duncan had the celtics drated him instead of pop and the spurs?

Duncan is the GOAT power forward but there were clearly greater individual players than him. Kobe is one of them.

Parker wasn't anything close to what he eventually became back in 2003 or 2005. Ginobili was pretty good by 2005, but he was much the same as Parker in 2003. Despite what they became, they were not that in 2003. Yeah, other players contribute, it's a team sport, but the talent level on that team is nothing like what Kobe won his titles with, or even what most of the teams the Spurs had to beat to get to the Finals every year were working with.

It's impossible to predict titles if Duncan goes to the Celtics, because who knows how things shake out with personnel besides him, but they would have at least gotten to the Finals a few times, especially with how weak the East was for the first six years or so of Duncan's career, before the Pistons were championship level.

[MrRolltide91]

I knew the kobe vs duncan debate would heat up

[$tate of Mind]

Parker wasn't anything close to what he eventually became back in 2003 or 2005. Ginobili was pretty good by 2005, but he was much the same as Parker in 2003. Despite what they became, they were not that in 2003. Yeah, other players contribute, it's a team sport, but the talent level on that team is nothing like what Kobe won his titles with, or even what most of the teams the Spurs had to beat to get to the Finals every year were working with.

It's impossible to predict titles if Duncan goes to the Celtics, because who knows how things shake out with personnel besides him, but they would have at least gotten to the Finals a few times, especially with how weak the East was for the first six years or so of Duncan's career, before the Pistons were championship level.

Parker and Ginobili were seasoned European players before entering the league. Both guys played a very important role in their 4 championships. Why are you ignoring Duncan's drop off in production. Tim was hardly the main reason the Spurs annihilated the Heat. I believe he averaged a ho hum 15 & 10 while going up against the Heat's horrendous front line. Tim was guarded by Rashard Lewis for crying out loud! Kobe was elite up until he ruptured his achilles. Kobe had a great year statistically in 2013 and essentially single handedly dragged that Lakers team into the playoffs.

[DreamMerchant12]

I knew the kobe vs duncan debate would heat up

As it always does. Neither side is ever satisfied.

[onechance87]

Tim duncan the greatest since jordan

[Holy Hatred]

Well deserved win by the Spurs, it would've been a sweep if it not for the missed free throws by Parker and Wade's epic flop, Heat fans always want to bring up the A/C argument though.

[Holy Hatred]

Tim duncan the greatest since jordan

Better than Kobe?

[DreamMerchant12]

Well deserved win by the Spurs, it would've been a sweep if it not for the missed free throws by Parker and Wade's epic flop, Heat fans always want to bring up the A/C argument though.

But it was too hot doe
Heat gives LeBron cramps doe