Building up muscles for boxing.

[HedonisticFrog]

Lifting weights does decrease muscle length. That's a physiological fact.

Calisthenics promote greater flexibility than lifting weights. Doing bent over rows or a bench press will not make you more flexible lmao.

There is nothing wrong with putting a weight on your back. Doing 25 push ups with a 45 lb plate on your back is superior to doing 90 push ups with no added weight. Builds greater strength.

In boxing, your legs don't go through as great of a range of motion as your upper body does.

Lifting weights doesn't decrease muscle length. Here's a scientific study showing that lifting weights with full range of motion is as good as static stretching for improving flexibility.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21969080

Putting a weight on your back and doing pushups is no different than adding weight to bench press. It's your muscles working against resistance.

Pushups don't build greater strength.

[HedonisticFrog]

Said every online sexual predator ever...

That's just a cop out, you know nobody is going to get off by looking at you if you actually follow the advice you give. As I always say, only take advice from people who are in a position you want to be in. You wouldn't take lifting advice from someone who looks terrible and can't perform just like you wouldn't take financial advice from a homeless person.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Lifting weights doesn't decrease muscle length. Here's a scientific study showing that lifting weights with full range of motion is as good as static stretching for improving flexibility.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21969080

Putting a weight on your back and doing pushups is no different than adding weight to bench press. It's your muscles working against resistance.

Pushups don't build greater strength.

Dude are you serious? Really, I can't believe you actually made that post.

1. Your study doesn't specify what type of resistance training is used. How do you know it isn't calisthenics?
2. They specifically say "Because of the potential practical significance of these results to strength and conditioning programs, further studies using true experimental designs, larger sample sizes, and longer training durations should be conducted with the aim of confirming or disproving these results."

As someone who was formally educated in a wide range of basic sciences, I find it very annoying when people post obviously wrong interpretations of data.

Yes it is, you are laying down for one of the exercises which isn't practical. The bench press and push up do not place stress on the same areas. If a 200 lb bench press is someone's max then they won't be able to do a push up with 200 lbs on their back.

I never said push ups build greater strength to bench press. I said that putting a weight on your back and doing max amount of push ups builds greater strength as opposed to no added weight and doing max amount of push ups.

Please go to school.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

That's just a cop out, you know nobody is going to get off by looking at you if you actually follow the advice you give. As I always say, only take advice from people who are in a position you want to be in. You wouldn't take lifting advice from someone who looks terrible and can't perform just like you wouldn't take financial advice from a homeless person.

Well look who come's to juggy's rescue? Word of advice, don't go following trolls (Juggy).

I don't have to post photos of myself to strangers I have never met in my life if I don't want to.

Your post is logically fallacious. I don't have to be a big bodybuilder just to give advice on muscle building. It's not a complex topic, eat more calories than you expend and add weight to the bar. That is it in a nutshell.

You're contradicting yourself. You said don't take advice from someone who is not in the position you want to be in but yet are vouching for Juggynutz. You do realize he claims to be lifting for 20+ years focused on increasing muscle mass yet he weighs 170 lbs. Does that sound like someone who know what they are talking about?

Was Michael Spinks ****** for utilizing Mackie Shilstone as his strength and conditioning coach to build muscle from 175 to 200? After all, Mackie Shilstone was something like 135 lbs.

[HedonisticFrog]

Dude are you serious? Really, I can't believe you actually made that post.

1. Your study doesn't specify what type of resistance training is used. How do you know it isn't calisthenics?
2. They specifically say "Because of the potential practical significance of these results to strength and conditioning programs, further studies using true experimental designs, larger sample sizes, and longer training durations should be conducted with the aim of confirming or disproving these results."

As someone who was formally educated in a wide range of basic sciences, I find it very annoying when people post obviously wrong interpretations of data.

Yes it is, you are laying down for one of the exercises which isn't practical. The bench press and push up do not place stress on the same areas. If a 200 lb bench press is someone's max then they won't be able to do a push up with 200 lbs on their back.

I never said push ups build greater strength to bench press. I said that putting a weight on your back and doing max amount of push ups builds greater strength as opposed to no added weight and doing max amount of push ups.

Please go to school.

Studies always say more research should be done. It doesn't mean the study is invalid or doesn't show anything. It's the nature of science to never be finished.

Formally educated in a wide range of sciences? We all went to high school.

So bench press is only different because you're laying down? It's not like you box with your hands of the ground either. The movement is the same, it doesn't matter.

[HedonisticFrog]

Well look who come's to juggy's rescue? Word of advice, don't go following trolls (Juggy).

I don't have to post photos of myself to strangers I have never met in my life if I don't want to.

Your post is logically fallacious. I don't have to be a big bodybuilder just to give advice on muscle building. It's not a complex topic, eat more calories than you expend and add weight to the bar. That is it in a nutshell.

You're contradicting yourself. You said don't take advice from someone who is not in the position you want to be in but yet are vouching for Juggynutz. You do realize he claims to be lifting for 20+ years focused on increasing muscle mass yet he weighs 170 lbs. Does that sound like someone who know what they are talking about?

Was Michael Spinks ****** for utilizing Mackie Shilstone as his strength and conditioning coach to build muscle from 175 to 200? After all, Mackie Shilstone was something like 135 lbs.

I wasn't coming to his rescue I was just pointing out how ridiculous what you said is.

Of course you don't have to be a bodybuilder to give advice, but it doesn't mean it will be good advice.

This isn't about Juggy, that's between you and him. I haven't mentioned him once.

Mackie Shilstone has a strong track record with training athletes, so no. You on the other hand, what are your credentials? If you can't even implement your own training to achieve decent strength and conditioning that says a lot. And your physique will show that.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Studies always say more research should be done. It doesn't mean the study is invalid or doesn't show anything. It's the nature of science to never be finished.

Formally educated in a wide range of sciences? We all went to high school.

So bench press is only different because you're laying down? It's not like you box with your hands of the ground either. The movement is the same, it doesn't matter.

That's true but that is something that goes without saying. The scientists who did the study specifically noted "further studies using true experimental designs, larger sample sizes, and longer training durations should be conducted". That's not the same as traditional scientific investigation. They are implying that their study isn't to be taken as absolute fact.

It's really frightening when you brush aside the fact that they are saying that their study didn't use a large enough sample size and that it pretty much wasn't a true scientific study. I take that as an indication that you don't understand what these important concepts mean.

Sure we all went to high school but the difference is I passed college level AP classes with good grades and more importantly actually understood the information. A big difference from taking a freshman level bio course which probably goes in one ear and out the other with most people.

No, I specifically said that the weight distribution is different with push ups. I'm sure that if we had the right equipment to run an experiment that we would find the variations between the push up and bench press to be many.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

I wasn't coming to his rescue I was just pointing out how ridiculous what you said is.

Of course you don't have to be a bodybuilder to give advice, but it doesn't mean it will be good advice.

This isn't about Juggy, that's between you and him. I haven't mentioned him once.

Mackie Shilstone has a strong track record with training athletes, so no. You on the other hand, what are your credentials? If you can't even implement your own training to achieve decent strength and conditioning that says a lot. And your physique will show that.

Dude you literally responded to a reply I made to Juggy. Of course this involves him.

Your words were "As I always say, only take advice from people who are in a position you want to be in." Mackie Shilstone wasn't a 200 lb heavyweight world champ in the 80s so therefore he doesn't fall in your parameters of who to take advice from.

What are you talking about? I do implement my own training advice. If you are going to make things up then don't expect the rest of us to make replies to you using logic.

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[HedonisticFrog]

That's true but that is something that goes without saying. The scientists who did the study specifically noted "further studies using true experimental designs, larger sample sizes, and longer training durations should be conducted". That's not the same as traditional scientific investigation. They are implying that their study isn't to be taken as absolute fact.

It's really frightening when you brush aside the fact that they are saying that their study didn't use a large enough sample size and that it pretty much wasn't a true scientific study. I take that as an indication that you don't understand what these important concepts mean.

Sure we all went to high school but the difference is I passed college level AP classes with good grades and more importantly actually understood the information. A big difference from taking a freshman level bio course which probably goes in one ear and out the other with most people.

No, I specifically said that the weight distribution is different with push ups. I'm sure that if we had the right equipment to run an experiment that we would find the variations between the push up and bench press to be many.

Then show some evidence that proves your point. All you have so far is your word.

You haven't even explained how pushups are significantly different than bench press. You only said something vague about weight distribution. What do you even mean by that?