Milk or no Milk (Dairy vs. no Dairy Diet?)

[BuakawBanchamek]

You don't know what you are talking about.

Mechanistic evidence is just an inference. All experiments lead to inferences. They said limited evidence therefore there is limited evidence. If it was absolute then they wouldn't have put that in there.

Use your head.

Completely ignoring my second argument on Cholesterol, huh?

Besides that, the WHO acknowledges the fact that meat is likely a carsinogine causing cancer. A inference that many studies show.
Especially studies that investigate the correlation between methionine and cancer for instance.

You can not disprove this statement. So all you are essentially saying is completely ignore WHO's statement and completely ignore other study results because I want to eat meat.

Again, prove to me that meat does not cause cancer.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

I think this is driving too much into WHO being the only research we have.

"To say we shouldn't eat meat is to essentially deny science"
- What science. Tell me any scientific research that shows
meat has health benefits that you can only get from eating meat.
Show me any research that shows saturated fat, LDL-Cholesterol, large amounts of Methionine is completely harmless.

"It's all about portion control." - Tell me how much is portion control. How much meat is it safe to eat before you increase your risk of all cause mortality?

Loss of sufficient saturated fatty acids in the white blood cells hampers their ability to recognize and destroy foreign invaders, such as viruses, bacteria, and fungi.

Meat contains creatine which is something you need. You can't get that from vegetarian sources.

I'm not your doctor. I don't have your blood work, hormone levels, etc. I don't know what you personally need. Most importantly, I'm not a health professional. Asking a random guy on the internet what is good for you specifically is moronic. It isn't a black and white situation. What could be good for me might just as well kill the next man.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Completely ignoring my second argument on Cholesterol, huh?

Besides that, the WHO acknowledges the fact that meat is likely a carsinogine causing cancer. A inference that many studies show.
Especially studies that investigate the correlation between methionine and cancer for instance.

You can not disprove this statement. So all you are essentially saying is completely ignore WHO's statement and completely ignore other study results because I want to eat meat.

Again, prove to me that meat does not cause cancer.

You don't understand what you are talking about. Just look at your argument, you're categorizing all Cholesterol as bad. I'm not going to engage in an argument with someone who doesn't understand basic science.

It doesn't take a genius to understand that it's about portion control. It's not even open for discussion. You are the only one who doesn't get it for some reason.

Meat contains protein, B vitamins (niacin, thiamin, riboflavin, and B6), vitamin E, iron, zinc, and magnesium.

You can find health risks with any food. If you eat too much broccoli you have a greater chance of developing hypothyroidism.

Again, like I have said over and over and over again, it's all about portion control. Are you some type of idiot? Don't bother responding if you are just going to ignore this. Eating too much meat is unhealthy I already said this.

[BuakawBanchamek]

Loss of sufficient saturated fatty acids in the white blood cells hampers their ability to recognize and destroy foreign invaders, such as viruses, bacteria, and fungi.

Meat contains creatine which is something you need. You can't get that from vegetarian sources.

I'm not your doctor. I don't have your blood work, hormone levels, etc. I don't know what you personally need. Most importantly, I'm not a health professional. Asking a random guy on the internet what is good for you specifically is moronic. It isn't a black and white situation. What could be good for me might just as well kill the next man.

1. saturated fat
Dietary Cholesterol and saturated fat raise your serum Cholesterol level. They are both risk factor for CVD as they raise your serum Cholesterol level.
The American Dietetic Association, the WHO, British Dietetic Association all recommend reducing your saturated fat intake.
In contrast, replacing saturated fat with unsaturated fat reduces your risk of CVD.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/


2. creatine
Creatine is not an essential nutrient. Your body produces your own creatine. So why would you want to risk getting heart disease, diabetes and cancer to get a nutrient that is not essential?
If you really want to take creatine there are supplements. No need to eat meat.

[BuakawBanchamek]

You don't understand what you are talking about. Just look at your argument, you're categorizing all Cholesterol as bad. I'm not going to engage in an argument with someone who doesn't understand basic science.

It doesn't take a genius to understand that it's about portion control. It's not even open for discussion. You are the only one who doesn't get it for some reason.

Meat contains protein, B vitamins (niacin, thiamin, riboflavin, and B6), vitamin E, iron, zinc, and magnesium.

You can find health risks with any food. If you eat too much broccoli you have a greater chance of developing hypothyroidism.

Again, like I have said over and over and over again, it's all about portion control. Are you some type of idiot? Don't bother responding if you are just going to ignore this. Eating too much meat is unhealthy I already said this.

1. Dietary Cholesterol is associated with CVD. Dietary Cholesterol is ALWAYS bad.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/


2. "portion control"
We know already that Dietary Cholesterol and saturated fat raise your serum Cholesterol level.
Any Dietary Cholesterol is bad for you. It might not kill you immidately but eating dieatary cholesterol and saturated fat increase all cause mortality.

Portion Control is just a synonym for "I don't want to change my unhealthy habits".
I don't see you recommending candy or cigarettes, do I?
Is it that hard to admit that meat is bad?
I think I already said it numerous times but meat is unhealthy.
HOWEVER very very little amounts won't kill you.

3."Meat contains protein, B vitamins (niacin, thiamin, riboflavin, and B6), vitamin E, iron, zinc, and magnesium. "

All nutrients that can be obtained through eating plants.
Why would you want to increase your risk of all cause mortality by eating meat if you can simply obtain these nutrients by eating plants?
The bad things animal products contain overshadow the good things, as you can simply eat plants to get these nutrients without increasing your risk of heart disease, diabetes and cancer.


4. Broccoli causes hyperthyroidism

How about backing that up?


5. Portion control

Again, define portion control.
admit that meat is unhealthy, as it is a risk factor for CVD, diabetes and cancer.
I admit that eating very very little amounts of animal products won't have any long term effects on health.
However you have to eat like very little amounts and not regulary to not get cronic diseases.

But then again, that does not change the fact that meat is unhealthy.
Think about it, why would you want to eat animal products regulary if it increases your all cause mortality?

[Mr.MojoRisin']

1. saturated fat
Dietary Cholesterol and saturated fat raise your serum Cholesterol level. They are both risk factor for CVD as they raise your serum Cholesterol level.
The American Dietetic Association, the WHO, British Dietetic Association all recommend reducing your saturated fat intake.
In contrast, replacing saturated fat with unsaturated fat reduces your risk of CVD.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/


2. creatine
Creatine is not an essential nutrient. Your body produces your own creatine. So why would you want to risk getting heart disease, diabetes and cancer to get a nutrient that is not essential?
If you really want to take creatine there are supplements. No need to eat meat.

You're flat out denying the function of saturated fat in the human body. You can't live without it.

If you're an athlete that constantly trains at a high level then you need creatine from outside sources. Just going off of what your body produces on its own isn't enough.

Don't respond until you take a biology class because you don't understand simple concepts.

[BuakawBanchamek]

You're flat out denying the function of saturated fat in the human body. You can't live without it.

If you're an athlete that constantly trains at a high level then you need creatine from outside sources. Just going off of what your body produces on its own isn't enough.

Don't respond until you take a biology class because you don't understand simple concepts.

Where do I deny saturated fat?

And you completely ignore my argument. Nice job on using a strawman fallacy.

"If you're an athlete that constantly trains at a high level then you need creatine from outside sources. Just going off of what your body produces on its own isn't enough."

Proof it. And even if, you can take creatine supplements without eating animal products. No need to increase your all cause mortality.

Again, you completely ignore my arguments. The only thing you do is building strawman fallacies and cherry picking.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

1. Dietary Cholesterol is associated with CVD. Dietary Cholesterol is ALWAYS bad.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/


2. "portion control"
We know already that Dietary Cholesterol and saturated fat raise your serum Cholesterol level.
Any Dietary Cholesterol is bad for you. It might not kill you immidately but eating dieatary cholesterol and saturated fat increase all cause mortality.

Portion Control is just a synonym for "I don't want to change my unhealthy habits".
I don't see you recommending candy or cigarettes, do I?
Is it that hard to admit that meat is bad?
I think I already said it numerous times but meat is unhealthy.
HOWEVER very very little amounts won't kill you.

3."Meat contains protein, B vitamins (niacin, thiamin, riboflavin, and B6), vitamin E, iron, zinc, and magnesium. "

All nutrients that can be obtained through eating plants.
Why would you want to increase your risk of all cause mortality by eating meat if you can simply obtain these nutrients by eating plants?
The bad things animal products contain overshadow the good things, as you can simply eat plants to get these nutrients without increasing your risk of heart disease, diabetes and cancer.


4. Broccoli causes hyperthyroidism

How about backing that up?


5. Portion control

Again, define portion control.
admit that meat is unhealthy, as it is a risk factor for CVD, diabetes and cancer.
I admit that eating very very little amounts of animal products won't have any long term effects on health.
However you have to eat like very little amounts and not regulary to not get cronic diseases.

But then again, that does not change the fact that meat is unhealthy.
Think about it, why would you want to eat animal products regulary if it increases your all cause mortality?

1. There is no such thing as dietary cholesterol. There is only HDL and LDL. Stop peddling this pseudoscience. We get HDL from fish (meat).

2. Portion control is eating the correct amount of foods to stay healthy. Eating an 8 oz lean cut of steak once or twice per week is ok. Eating it everyday is not ok. Generally.

3. That's not practical though. Eating that much vegetables is going to be too high in fiber. You'll be ****ting everywhere you go.

4. Too much broccoli causes hypothyroidism. Emphasis on too much. You conveniently left that out because you're argument is garbage and you don't know wtf you are talking about. Epic fail.

Broccoli is a goitrogenic food. That's common knowledge.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4892312/

5. I already did.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Where do I deny saturated fat?

And you completely ignore my argument. Nice job on using a strawman fallacy.

"If you're an athlete that constantly trains at a high level then you need creatine from outside sources. Just going off of what your body produces on its own isn't enough."

Proof it.

"Dietary Cholesterol and saturated fat raise your serum Cholesterol level. They are both risk factor for CVD as they raise your serum Cholesterol level.
The American Dietetic Association, the WHO, British Dietetic Association all recommend reducing your saturated fat intake.
In contrast, replacing saturated fat with unsaturated fat reduces your risk of CVD."

You left out any health benefits and portrayed them in sense that they have no positive effects.

At this point your posts are just flat out trolling. You clearly are ignorant to science and want to stay ignorant judging from your posts.

The body produces a certain amount of ATP. Athletes do work and use up the ATP. Taking external creatine allows them to do more work at a higher intensity.

1+1=2

[BuakawBanchamek]

1. There is no such thing as dietary cholesterol. There is only HDL and LDL. Stop peddling this pseudoscience. We get HDL from fish (meat).

2. Portion control is eating the correct amount of foods to stay healthy. Eating an 8 oz lean cut of steak once or twice per week is ok. Eating it everyday is not ok. Generally.

3. That's not practical though. Eating that much vegetables is going to be too high in fiber. You'll be ****ting everywhere you go.

4. Too much broccoli causes hypothyroidism. Emphasis on too much. You conveniently left that out because you're argument is garbage and you don't know wtf you are talking about. Epic fail.

Broccoli is a goitrogenic food. That's common knowledge.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4892312/

5. I already did.

1. Dietary Cholesterol refers to Cholesterol that is obtained through your diet. Pretty self explanatory.

2. "Its okay" - I'd argue that 2 steaks a weak is too much. But aside of that, are you eating MAX 2 steaks a week?
You never eat diary, eggs?
And for the sake of argument, 2 steaks are how much your body can compensate. How much dietary Cholesterol your body can compensate without developing heart disease. ( even tho there is evidence that shows that dietary cholesterol extremely increases your serum Cholesterol levels on persons with low serum cholesterol levels)
But that does not mean meat is healthy.

3. "That's not practical though. Eating that much vegetables is going to be too high in fiber. You'll be ****ting everywhere you go. "

Yeah, no I have not seen a study on how much vegans **** a day. And nor have I seen people complaining that they want to get unhealthy because they "**** too much".
This is a ridiculous argument lol.

4. " (e.g., >1 kg/d for several months) of raw Russian/Siberian kale of the species B. napus, some collards, and Brussels sprouts, "

5. Quote please to what you are answering. I have been doing it for the most part but will do it as well for any answer from now on.

Yeah good luck trying to eat that much "russian "raw kale which you can't even get in normal supermarkets lol.

eDIT:
I just looked at your article again and there we go:
"However, turnip tops, commercial broccoli, broccoli rabe, and kale belonging to Brassica oleracae contain less than 10 μmol of goitrin per 100-g serving and can be considered of minimal risk"

So no, commericial broccoli and kale are pretty much completely harmless

And again, this is another fallacy. Red Herring fallacy. This is completely irrelevant as you are distracting from the main topic that meat is unhealthy, regardless of portions.