The ONLY suppliments worth buying

[AddiX]

And acidify your body which in itself causes inflammation because acids burn.

I've been preaching this on here for years but it's pointless because the general public has been so successfully brainwashed by the health food industry that it's a lost cause. I used to be like that and then one day I met a massive bodybuilder who more or less set me straight on this and I went from spending about a hundred dollars a month on whey powder for several years to nothing and not only continued to put on muscle...I felt much better and improved my health.

But very few people will believe this because they see an ad with a massive steroid freak telling you to use as much as 4 grams per lb of body-weight if you want to put on muscle...and over the years the industry keeps telling people to take more and more of it and they do. So they go to gyms and everyone is telling someone that's what they do so they do the same.

I don't doubt it, I've never seen or read studies that say why creatine is bad, but our bodies already produce it, usually putting something in your body that it already produces is not a good thing.

But as far as products that actually work, that is one of the few. It really doesn't matter anyway, you'll lose whatever gains you gained form it anyway.

I only use it if it's in my Pre workout, and now I only go to the gym 2 times a week, so I'm not too worried about it. That's not even consistent enough for it to coat my muscles.

5 grams is recommended, Pre workouts say they have around 3.

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I don't doubt it, I've never seen or read studies that say why creatine is bad, but our bodies already produce it, usually putting something in your body that it already produces is not a good thing.

But as far as products that actually work, that is one of the few. It really doesn't matter anyway, you'll lose whatever gains you gained form it anyway.

I only use it if it's in my Pre workout, and now I only go to the gym 2 times a week, so I'm not too worried about it. That's not even consistent enough for it to coat my muscles.

5 grams is recommended, Pre workouts say they have around 3.

I was talking about whey powder...but yeah. The thing I don't like about creatine is it blocks your kidneys which is why you bloat and retain water. This creates scar tissue in the kidneys. You start out life with an estimate GFR of 120 and declines as you age. You don't really notice any changes as it does but once it go down to below 60 you have kidney disease...and at 30 you need dialysis. When you hit your middle years it will likely be around 90...but if you have had scarring and accelerated your kidney's degeneration...you may be approaching a dangerous situation and be completely unaware unless you get tested.

Creatine makes your connective tissues fuller with water bloat and it's your connective tissue that is the weakest link so you will be less likely to feel pain there which lets you lift more. It appears that you are therefor stronger and you will be bigger from bloat. But what's the point unless you compete in weightlifting and need the temporary boost? Any kidney damage is permanent...there is no recovering from it.

[AddiX]

I was talking about whey powder...but yeah. The thing I don't like about creatine is it blocks your kidneys which is why you bloat and retain water. This creates scar tissue in the kidneys. You start out life with an estimate GFR of 120 and declines as you age. You don't really notice any changes as it does but once it go down to below 60 you have kidney disease...and at 30 you need dialysis. When you hit your middle years it will likely be around 90...but if you have had scarring and accelerated your kidney's degeneration...you may be approaching a dangerous situation and be completely unaware unless you get tested.

Creatine makes your connective tissues fuller with water bloat and it's your connective tissue that is the weakest link so you will be less likely to feel pain there which lets you lift more. It appears that you are therefor stronger and you will be bigger from bloat. But what's the point unless you compete in weightlifting and need the temporary boost? Any kidney damage is permanent...there is no recovering from it.

Thats really interesting, I'll have to read up more on this for sure.

It really is amazing how accepted protein powder and creatine is, in the entire fitness industry.

When I was young and ****** I took test boosters, WTF was I even thinking? I try to warn beginners now about supplements and they look at me like I'm nuts.

I'm at the point where I just tell young people to take steroids. At least they'll make the gains they want, and won't waste their money. They'll be addicted to steroids. But fck it, better than burning money on useless supps.

[HtotheZ]

I think that stuff is complete garbage, the most you need is 20 grams a serving. Because it's in liquid form maybe you get half of that in your system? And because that stuff is made of such low quality ingredients and because the company's basically fill those jars with filler the same way coke dealers do. maybe you get 4-5 grams out of the 20 you are expecting.

Eat a hard boiled egg and some almonds and that's worth more than your entire protein shake.

You really probably don't need protein shakes or massive amounts of protein anyway. I believed it once too, it's bs, to get you to buy crappy products and eat more food.

Unless your a straight up juiced up body building monster, eating lots of protein probably isn't going to do crap for you, except overwork you digestive system and make you fat.

+1 to all of this...

I used to think Protein supplements were essential as **** until I had to stop taking them bc of my kidneys and found myself making literally the exact same progress without them.

[Zaryu]

Great thread! I just wanted to echo the experience of not relying on proteing shakes anymore, since late summer, and guess what... No change at all in my progress, I think I've just cut that caloric intake and have had nothing but good results for me amd my wallet.

[Furn]

Hmmm

Detox, chemicals, acidity

These words are telltale signs of Facebook pseudoscience BS.

[Furn]

I was talking about whey powder...but yeah. The thing I don't like about creatine is it blocks your kidneys which is why you bloat and retain water. This creates scar tissue in the kidneys. You start out life with an estimate GFR of 120 and declines as you age. You don't really notice any changes as it does but once it go down to below 60 you have kidney disease...and at 30 you need dialysis. When you hit your middle years it will likely be around 90...but if you have had scarring and accelerated your kidney's degeneration...you may be approaching a dangerous situation and be completely unaware unless you get tested.

Creatine makes your connective tissues fuller with water bloat and it's your connective tissue that is the weakest link so you will be less likely to feel pain there which lets you lift more. It appears that you are therefor stronger and you will be bigger from bloat. But what's the point unless you compete in weightlifting and need the temporary boost? Any kidney damage is permanent...there is no recovering from it.

This whole post is nonsense.

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This whole post is nonsense.

You are ignorant.

[Furn]

You are ignorant.

No everything in that post is just utter rubbish. I don't know where u heard that or if you just made it up but None of it makes any biological or chemical sense.

Here learn something.

https://examine.com/nutrition/does-creatine-cause-kidney-problems/

[jaded]

No everything in that post is just utter rubbish. I don't know where u heard that or if you just made it up but None of it makes any biological or chemical sense.

Here learn something.

https://examine.com/nutrition/does-c...dney-problems/

You are an idiot. I got that from my Dr...I don't have anything to learn from an ignorant ass-hole.

This from The Mayo Clinic...

http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supp...y/hrb-20059125

Creatine may also cause abnormal heart rate, additive effects of chemotherapy or CNS depressants, aggression, altered serum creatinine levels, anorexia, anxiety, asthmatic symptoms, burping, change in appetite, changes in markers of liver function, combative behavior, confusion, constipation, decrease in cellular stores of creatine, dehydration, depression, diarrhea, drowsiness, electrolyte imbalances, elevated liver enzymes, fainting, fever, headaches, heat intolerance, high blood pressure, hypercarbia (excess carbon dioxide in blood), hyperthermia, increased cortisol, increased formaldehyde production, increased creatine in the urine, increased insulin levels, increased risk of kidney toxicity, increased risk of side effects from caffeine, increased symptoms of deep vein thrombosis, inflamed kidneys, inflammation of stomach and small intestine, irritability, ischemic stroke, jaundice, kidney ***********, light-headedness, liver injury, lower blood sugar, mania or hypermania, metabolic acidosis, muscle cramping or pain, myopathy (muscle disease), nausea, nervousness, pressure of the shins, psychosis, reduced blood volume, reduced phosphocreatine synthesis, rhabdomyolysis (muscle breakdown), seizures, skin rashes, stomach discomfort, swollen limbs, thirst, vomiting, water retention, weight gain, worsening sleep problems, yellowing of the skin.