Anybody else ever put themselves on a ketogenic diet?

[HtotheZ]

For those that don't know, a ketogenic diet is when you limit yourself to 40-50g of carbs or less. Basically what happens is your body stops relying on carbohydrates for energy and starts using the fat on your body to produce something called ketones for energy instead.

I've been on one for the past couple weeks and was able to drop over 14 lbs in just a bit over 2 weeks. And as unhealthy as that might sound, I actually have more energy than before and have been performing better.

I don't know of any long term side effects with this diet (although I don't think it's a good idea to get into if you're diabetic), but I definitely would recommend it to anybody that's either trying to cut down or make weight.

[jas]

Why isn't it good for someone who is diabetic?

I do know that if you have fats instead of carbs first thing in the day it programs your metabolism to use fat for energy for the rest of the day.

[Firefist]

It's still about what you eat rather than cutting carbs. Whole foods only and no refined sugar is the way to go. I lost 110 lbs on a ketogenic diet.

During the first couple weeks most of that weight is only water. A ketogenic diet has a natural diuretic effect. That means watching your electrolytes closely.

Long term effects are again all based on what you eat. If you're on Atkins or Faileo there is a possibility of higher risk of heart disease because of the high fat content plus whatever chemicals you're eating.

A balanced approach will net nothing but benefits. It's not recommended to stay in ketosis for very long and to have weeks where you eat 150g carbs even.

The magic of this diet really starts after about a month in and you completely replace leftover digestive enzymes from the SAD (standard American diet) diet. By then you'll be accustomed to burning fat for fuel and your body will work the way it's meant to.

[HtotheZ]

It's still about what you eat rather than cutting carbs. Whole foods only and no refined sugar is the way to go. I lost 110 lbs on a ketogenic diet.

During the first couple weeks most of that weight is only water. A ketogenic diet has a natural diuretic effect. That means watching your electrolytes closely.

Long term effects are again all based on what you eat. If you're on Atkins or Faileo there is a possibility of higher risk of heart disease because of the high fat content plus whatever chemicals you're eating.

A balanced approach will net nothing but benefits. It's not recommended to stay in ketosis for very long and to have weeks where you eat 150g carbs even.

The magic of this diet really starts after about a month in and you completely replace leftover digestive enzymes from the SAD (standard American diet) diet. By then you'll be accustomed to burning fat for fuel and your body will work the way it's meant to.

Damn thats a lot of weight.

Great post

[kiDynamite92]

I've done it once to drop some weight. I really felt flat throughout, also when you go back on the carbs your weight will shoot back up. I was already pretty low on bf when trying it and was trying to get ripped, I don't know the effects if your bf is higher. I wouldn't recommend it to people who are pushing themselves to their limits everyday.

[HedonisticFrog]

Why isn't it good for someone who is diabetic?

I do know that if you have fats instead of carbs first thing in the day it programs your metabolism to use fat for energy for the rest of the day.

A keto diet doesn't program your body to burn fat, that's just ridiculous. As soon as you eat carbs you start burning them for fuel.

It's still about what you eat rather than cutting carbs. Whole foods only and no refined sugar is the way to go. I lost 110 lbs on a ketogenic diet.

During the first couple weeks most of that weight is only water. A ketogenic diet has a natural diuretic effect. That means watching your electrolytes closely.

Long term effects are again all based on what you eat. If you're on Atkins or Faileo there is a possibility of higher risk of heart disease because of the high fat content plus whatever chemicals you're eating.

A balanced approach will net nothing but benefits. It's not recommended to stay in ketosis for very long and to have weeks where you eat 150g carbs even.

The magic of this diet really starts after about a month in and you completely replace leftover digestive enzymes from the SAD (standard American diet) diet. By then you'll be accustomed to burning fat for fuel and your body will work the way it's meant to.

A keto diet isn't a diuretic, the reason you lose water weight in the beginning is because glycogen retains water so when you deplete your glycogen stores the water goes with it. After that you don't urinate more just from being on a keto diet.

You don't change your enzymes and start burning fat more just from doing keto. You only burn fat more because you aren't eating as many carbs, and as soon as you change that you burn carbs at the same rate as before.

Keto is only effective for losing weight if it helps you reduce your total caloric intake to be in a caloric deficit. If you don't do that you're not going to lose weight on keto or not. There's nothing magical about eating low carbs. If you eat at a caloric surplus on a keto diet you'll gain weight anyway.

[Furn]

I read some research done on this measuring gene expression in mice using a ketogenic diet and it showed increased expression of genes in fatty acid oxidation pathways and reduction in lipid synthesis pathways when compared to mice on a normal diet, while mice on the Keto diet lost the same amount of fat as mice on a diet of 65% of the calories. Mice on the low calories diet also had low testosterone levels while the Keto diet didn't.

So there's definiately something more to it than just reduced calories from eating less carbs.

[AddiX]

For those that don't know, a ketogenic diet is when you limit yourself to 40-50g of carbs or less. Basically what happens is your body stops relying on carbohydrates for energy and starts using the fat on your body to produce something called ketones for energy instead.

I've been on one for the past couple weeks and was able to drop over 14 lbs in just a bit over 2 weeks. And as unhealthy as that might sound, I actually have more energy than before and have been performing better.

I don't know of any long term side effects with this diet (although I don't think it's a good idea to get into if you're diabetic), but I definitely would recommend it to anybody that's either trying to cut down or make weight.

You cant lose 14 lbs in 2 weeks, unless your sick or You all of a sudden decided to do some kind of crazy crash diet.

Hate to tell ya It's most likely mostly water weight.

It's still about what you eat rather than cutting carbs. Whole foods only and no refined sugar is the way to go. I lost 110 lbs on a ketogenic diet.

During the first couple weeks most of that weight is only water. A ketogenic diet has a natural diuretic effect. That means watching your electrolytes closely.

Long term effects are again all based on what you eat. If you're on Atkins or Faileo there is a possibility of higher risk of heart disease because of the high fat content plus whatever chemicals you're eating.

A balanced approach will net nothing but benefits. It's not recommended to stay in ketosis for very long and to have weeks where you eat 150g carbs even.

The magic of this diet really starts after about a month in and you completely replace leftover digestive enzymes from the SAD (standard American diet) diet. By then you'll be accustomed to burning fat for fuel and your body will work the way it's meant to.

Most recent studies show that the past belief that eating fat was so bad for your heart is mostly bs anyway.

As for keto, I'm not a fan of it, but I do pure strength training now so it doesn't work for me.

I also Dont think you need to be in a ketogenic state for low carb dieting to work, which is why I dont get why people torture themselves to be in a ketogenic state.

When i bulk and cut, the only difference in my diet is the carbs. Cutting weight, I cut the curbs, its that simple.

But I don't eat so few that I'm in a ketogenic state.

I read some research done on this measuring gene expression in mice using a ketogenic diet and it showed increased expression of genes in fatty acid oxidation pathways and reduction in lipid synthesis pathways when compared to mice on a normal diet, while mice on the Keto diet lost the same amount of fat as mice on a diet of 65% of the calories. Mice on the low calories diet also had low testosterone levels while the Keto diet didn't.

So there's definiately something more to it than just reduced calories from eating less carbs.

It would make sense that would have lower test levels as there not getting the proper account of nutrition.

[HedonisticFrog]

I read some research done on this measuring gene expression in mice using a ketogenic diet and it showed increased expression of genes in fatty acid oxidation pathways and reduction in lipid synthesis pathways when compared to mice on a normal diet, while mice on the Keto diet lost the same amount of fat as mice on a diet of 65% of the calories. Mice on the low calories diet also had low testosterone levels while the Keto diet didn't.

So there's definiately something more to it than just reduced calories from eating less carbs.

Of course you burn more fat when you don't have a lot of carbs, your body still needs energy and you don't have carbs to burn. If you fill a diesel car fuel tank up with 80% vegetable oil and 20% diesel fuel it will burn more vegetable oil than diesel fuel because that's what it has. Obviously the body is more complicated than that but it's close enough to prove a point.

The only reason mice on a keto diet would lose more weight with the same amount of calories is because when you cut carbs your glycogen stores are depleted and the water the glycogen was retaining goes with it. If you look at a long term study there's a difference in the short term weight loss from water loss and after that it's exactly the same. If the mice ate carbs again at the end of the study they would gain the water weight back.

[Furn]

Of course you burn more fat when you don't have a lot of carbs, your body still needs energy and you don't have carbs to burn. If you fill a diesel car fuel tank up with 80% vegetable oil and 20% diesel fuel it will burn more vegetable oil than diesel fuel because that's what it has. Obviously the body is more complicated than that but it's close enough to prove a point.

The only reason mice on a keto diet would lose more weight with the same amount of calories is because when you cut carbs your glycogen stores are depleted and the water the glycogen was retaining goes with it. If you look at a long term study there's a difference in the short term weight loss from water loss and after that it's exactly the same. If the mice ate carbs again at the end of the study they would gain the water weight back.

Doesnt explain the changes on gene expression.