So who uses right hooks from the orthodox stance?

[VasyLomachenko]

mares, mayweather

[Half_Step]

Ive always understood it as a hook being a ''pull punch''. meaning you're making contact on your way back using more of your chest and biceps for power rather than a push or straight punch where you're using your triceps. a term you hear in mma is a shovel hook which actually doesnt seem much like a hook at all to me because if it was a hook, it'd be an uppercut. Maybe it's an ''overhand under left hook'' or betsy sue depending on who you ask. if u can figure out the point im making let me know cause i havnt figured it out yet.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Know its a "rear hook"? hahaha!!!
Cua1520 I'm not disrespecting you I'm just fooling around. Obviously you don't want to put a name with your comments and that's fine by me.
As I said verbiage can change from era's and geographics has a lot to do with what words are chosen to try and clarify a statement, its all good.
I have many ways to skin lions, I was not a one dimensional trainer I to trained in Mexico and fought there too. I worked with a fellow named Happy Rodriquez in Tijuna Baja, I learned a lot about in fighting from in and traveled to Alb. N.M. and was trained by Pat Nappi. Mr. Nappi years later was the main influence on the 76 USA team that was filled with boxers that changed the way many fighters learn to box these days. My boxing was furthered by life long family friends like Gaspar Ortega and Willie Pep. That's learning the "in" and the "out" from four of the best.
I train young men to "their" capabilities I never force a student instead put them in a position to succeed using their best attributes. All four of my main mentors are well known and respected in the boxing world back then.

Five rounds, three minutes each one minute rest with BenBow 6 or 8 0z gloves.
25.00 a round each, winner takes an extra 100.00, back then if you fought using lateral movement you were never asked back.
I could box and fight and you'll find the best boxers can do both. I'll have to think about it but I'm pretty sure I never threw a "rear, looping, sidewinder right hook"!!! Pretty sure I didn't, HA!!!! nite kids have fun. Ray Corso

I didn't call it a right hook, the TS did. Also, I didn't ask you to go into your credentials. I also fought in Mexico and even fought as far as the Philippines.

My point was that regardless of what you call it, it is a lagit punch and from the examples given in this thread alone, you can see fighters using it, and knocking people out with it.

If thrown properly, and at the right distance, it's a great punch to use especially if the opponent likes to put their ear muffs on.

But hey, what do I know? I mean, I'm no where near the knowledge of you, Rockin or Barry Robinson, trainers that know it all and have no room to learn anything new, or even consider something new.

Buenas Noches Ray

[Ray Corso]

No need to get defensive or to whine, I didn't say the punch was totally void I DID say I never heard of the phrase "right hook"!
As for Barry and Rockin' at least everyone knows who they are and their name stands behind the words! In my generation we didn't use alias's we were born with our word and beliefs and our names backed that up. That's why its strange to me to converse with people who refuse to acknowledge who they are!
Again another "generational" difference.

If you can tell me a new technique that's been developed in the last 20 years I'd sure like to hear it? I see video's of trainers using firehouses and heavy ropes and that goes back to the 30's same with supplements and vitamins the only thing new is the science behind the formula's and I'm doubting their better than the original natural forms.

Either way sorry if you felt I was to "offensive" but it shouldn't have put you in the defensive mood. Shadow out and relax...............Ray.

[BennyST]

Boy, what a childish argument this has become. Those that think there isn't one are just arguing semantics. Pure, simple semantics.

It's been used in boxing forever. Some places, gyms, trainers, fighters, wankers, may not call it a right hook and may argue that it doesn't exist, but you only need to look at fighters across the world, throughout the history of boxing to see that it's a pretty standard punch. Great in close.

What do these 'it doesn't exist' people say to the gif of GGG throwing it? Do they say that that punch doesn't exist? He's not actually throwing a punch at all there, because that punch isn't real. It's the twilight zone shot. Amazing. What about Mayweather using it over and over throughout his career?

Whatever you label it, it's the same ****ing punch you bunch of muppets. Right cross, right hook, overhand right, looping right...It's exists, because you can throw it, it's effective.

Some people have come up with a simple, clear term that you don't happen to use while they do? Get over yourself. You're talking about the same thing, but arguing about the label of it.

[Ray Corso]

Hey benny if you read my posts I already said that. It was originally discussed that the "term" was never heard of, that's all. Thanks for referring!
Get over yourself and stop trolling!
Ray.

[Tbox050]

Nonito Donaire vs. Fernando Montiel.

That's why you don't use a right hook.

[mconstantine]

There is a time and place to do almost anything in boxing if you know what you're doing...let along a time and place to throw virtually any punch.

I'd be leary of any trainer with sweeping rules like "NEVER throw the right hook" or "ALWAYS snap your jab".

It's about being smart and thinking, assessing the situation and knowing when it's appropriate to do certain things and not. The last thing you want to be in the ring is predictable and too "straight up". A fighter should welcome opportunities to be INTELLIGENTLY unorthodox or abnormal.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

No need to get defensive or to whine, I didn't say the punch was totally void I DID say I never heard of the phrase "right hook"!
As for Barry and Rockin' at least everyone knows who they are and their name stands behind the words! In my generation we didn't use alias's we were born with our word and beliefs and our names backed that up. That's why its strange to me to converse with people who refuse to acknowledge who they are!
Again another "generational" difference.

If you can tell me a new technique that's been developed in the last 20 years I'd sure like to hear it? I see video's of trainers using firehouses and heavy ropes and that goes back to the 30's same with supplements and vitamins the only thing new is the science behind the formula's and I'm doubting their better than the original natural forms.

Either way sorry if you felt I was to "offensive" but it shouldn't have put you in the defensive mood. Shadow out and relax...............Ray.

This is the internet Ray, to put my real name in some public forum would be idiotic. There are people out there who can find where you live and all your information by your IP address alone.

It isn't about being scared, it's about being smart. Secondly, I don't put my real name because unlike some of the trainers I mentioned before, I don't want the limelight on me, I want it on my fighters.

I don't care if you recognize me, know who I am or think I'm clueless. It's about the work I do and the kids I teach and mentor every single day. So while the rest of you guys are making cool mitt work videos on youtube, I will go to the gym and train real fighters for real fights.

AS far as the "right hook" now you are changing your tune when Benny and others say it is to be used, and it is effective and not just an "arm punch" like you suggested. Also suggesting never to throw it because it can be countered....lol, like there's no counters to every punch in the book.

This is why I don't post in this section as much as I do, and only answer PM's from people who would like advice, not all knowing advice, but just advice from someone like myself.

Ray you need to relax, boxing is a culmination of many different schools, and many different ideas.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

There is a time and place to do almost anything in boxing if you know what you're doing...let along a time and place to throw virtually any punch.

I'd be leary of any trainer with sweeping rules like "NEVER throw the right hook" or "ALWAYS snap your jab".

It's about being smart and thinking, assessing the situation and knowing when it's appropriate to do certain things and not. The last thing you want to be in the ring is predictable and too "straight up". A fighter should welcome opportunities to be INTELLIGENTLY unorthodox or abnormal.

Absolutely, I used to love when Chavez Sr. would throw the "up jab" or half hook, half uppercut. I heard trainers that you should never do that, because it leaves you open. Yet he did it not only effectively, but it set up his right hand which was very underrated.

I just recently watched Jimmy Carter vs Lauro Salas II and I loved the unorthodox style of Salas, and how he set up the short left hook inside by leaning left and beating Carter's right hand, switching over and throwing it fast and tight on the inside. Even though they teach you not to lean left against a righty because it leaves you in line for the right hand, he knew this unorthodox movement would open Carter up for the short left hook inside, he learned that from their first fight.

Thank god he didn't listen to traditional advice....