So who uses right hooks from the orthodox stance?

[Ray Corso]

Is there ANYONE on here using their real name other than me?
That should tell you something, hey Cuauhte'moc1520 (is that your real name)? Never heard of a boxing trainer not willing to say who he is! Are you a new wave Mexican trainer and wear a mask in the corner along with no name?
El Mask "Mystero" !!

First off a "right hook" has little to no power to it unless the body gets squared up! Thrown with the right foot in proper position in a right handed stance the punch is a slap/arm punch at best! The base counter would be a straight right hand that will beat that "hook" the vast majority of the time.
Tell me who throws that junk other than Mayweather? Its thrown against opposition who don't block or slip or counter punch! It's an arm punch! He uses it against the guys he fights because their ALL one demementional.
Ali used to throw a version of this angle, it was meant to knock his opponent off balance. If your shots are void of pronation, hips and shoulders its not much of a punch.
Listen by all means throw it..............when you fight someone who is well schooled your going to get hit with straight right hands. Best of luck with that "hook"!
Ray.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

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Is there ANYONE on here using their real name other than me?
That should tell you something, hey Cuauhte'moc1520 (is that your real name)? Never heard of a boxing trainer not willing to say who he is! Are you a new wave Mexican trainer and wear a mask in the corner along with no name?
El Mask "Mystero" !!

Why would I use my real name in a public forum? I have however, sent videos to people on here who I have become cool with and like to actually discuss boxing like adults, one of the reasons you don't know who I am.

First off a "right hook" has little to no power to it unless the body gets squared up! Thrown with the right foot in proper position in a right handed stance the punch is a slap/arm punch at best! The base counter would be a straight right hand that will beat that "hook" the vast majority of the time.
Tell me who throws that junk other than Mayweather? Its thrown against opposition who don't block or slip or counter punch! It's an arm punch! He uses it against the guys he fights because their ALL one demementional.
Ali used to throw a version of this angle, it was meant to knock his opponent off balance. If your shots are void of pronation, hips and shoulders its not much of a punch.

That is why I suggested to take a small step out with the right foot to allow the balance of the body to turn into the hook. If thrown properly, it will NOT just be an arm punch, there's been many fighters knocked out with this shot in the history of boxing. Mike Tyson was famous for throwing this shot and I agree, he squared himself up when he was throwing it to get leverage. It's the reason I said to take that small step out. Left handed fighters use ( and are taught) to throw the left hook to the body from the southpaw stance to touch the liver on an opponent.

Listen by all means throw it..............when you fight someone who is well schooled your going to get hit with straight right hands. Best of luck with that "hook"!
Ray.

EVERY punch has a counter Ray, you know this. I can throw a straight right hand and be countered, are you suggesting I don't throw that? Or how about a looping over hand right the way Maidana used vs Mayweather and the philly shell? You can counter that EASILY if you take a small step back and counter with a check hook or even right hand of your own, should you not throw that?

Insult me all you want, but I been trained by very good trainers in Mexico, and I know my stuff. Unlike you though, I know there's more than one way to skin a cat and I acknowledge that some trainers don't call it a "right hook" even though if you look at the trajectory of the shot, it is justified to be called so.

[Pork Chop]

Just out of curiosity, would this be considered a rear hook? (using "rear" instead of "right" because it's coming from a southpaw):




Fist is vertical, so I thought it was a little different than a normal rear-overhand. If it's still considered a rear-overhand; that's what I'll tell my coach it is next time he gives me a hard time about it (of course, I may have to tweak the angle).

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Just out of curiosity, would this be considered a rear hook? (using "rear" instead of "right" because it's coming from a southpaw):




Fist is vertical, so I thought it was a little different than a normal rear-overhand. If it's still considered a rear-overhand; that's what I'll tell my coach it is next time he gives me a hard time about it (of course, I may have to tweak the angle).

Yes another example of a great rear hook. Notice how it's not coming from the top, it's right in line and angle of a traditional long hook. Again some trainers don't acknowledge it as a hook and say it's just a "wide" right hand.

For me it's just semantics to be honest and it is a usable punch, which you have shown and we have seen a million times. If used properly, and your feet are under you, it can be not only effective, but it can knock you out.

[ShoulderRoll]

Pacquiao is throwing an overhead left in that gif. Or a looping left hand if you will. In Floyd's case he's throwing an overhead right which he uses a lot to change the pace and mix things up for his straight right.

To be a hook the power would have to be going across their body. At least as I understand it.

[Ray Corso]

Know its a "rear hook"? hahaha!!!
Cua1520 I'm not disrespecting you I'm just fooling around. Obviously you don't want to put a name with your comments and that's fine by me.
As I said verbiage can change from era's and geographics has a lot to do with what words are chosen to try and clarify a statement, its all good.
I have many ways to skin lions, I was not a one dimensional trainer I to trained in Mexico and fought there too. I worked with a fellow named Happy Rodriquez in Tijuna Baja, I learned a lot about in fighting from in and traveled to Alb. N.M. and was trained by Pat Nappi. Mr. Nappi years later was the main influence on the 76 USA team that was filled with boxers that changed the way many fighters learn to box these days. My boxing was furthered by life long family friends like Gaspar Ortega and Willie Pep. That's learning the "in" and the "out" from four of the best.
I train young men to "their" capabilities I never force a student instead put them in a position to succeed using their best attributes. All four of my main mentors are well known and respected in the boxing world back then.

Five rounds, three minutes each one minute rest with BenBow 6 or 8 0z gloves.
25.00 a round each, winner takes an extra 100.00, back then if you fought using lateral movement you were never asked back.
I could box and fight and you'll find the best boxers can do both. I'll have to think about it but I'm pretty sure I never threw a "rear, looping, sidewinder right hook"!!! Pretty sure I didn't, HA!!!! nite kids have fun. Ray Corso

[Pork Chop]

Pacquiao is throwing an overhead left in that gif. Or a looping left hand if you will. In Floyd's case he's throwing an overhead right which he uses a lot to change the pace and mix things up for his straight right.

To be a hook the power would have to be going across their body. At least as I understand it.

That's the thing, Hatton's chin twists to the side in a rotational manner, not back (or down) as if it was a traditional overhand. Plus the vertical hand position and the torque in Pacquiao's body when he's throwing it make me think otherwise.

Know its a "rear hook"? hahaha!!!

Actually, I believe it was me that introduced the term "rear hook" because my gifs were showing an example of a southpaw throwing what I thought might be such a hook. As I'm a southpaw myself, this particular punch was more important to me than an orthodox right hook.

I didn't mean any disrespect by the question. I'm honestly curious about the punch in the animated gif. Also, I was pinged recently by my coach for throwing a rear hook; though in my case the sin was throwing a lead hook - rear hook combo, which is especially bad because you're even more open.

The thing is, my trainers in Texas (Fort Worth, and San Antonio) considered a rear hook a legitimate punch, as have some of the coaches I've trained with from Thailand. When I trained in Baltimore & DC (and now Atlanta), there was no such punch. I thought maybe it was an east coast thing (that it's not a real punch). Now I just don't know.

[nivek535]

That's understandable, you leaving, and thanks for the welcome back.

With the sparring, I sparred hard every time in there just about (unless I was with a newbie or some thing). How else do you grow?.

What is the most famous gym that you can name in fairly recent times? What ever gym that you name I can almost assure you that multiple wars were being fought in their sparring ring on a daily basis. Galaxy wasn't famous but we had excellent talent and we all fought wars in the gym, and we all grew...........

i really cant tell if you intend to reply with sarcasm or not lol.
kids there be throwing ugly punches with so much desperation for power and no technique... how do you learn from that? lol. basically a street fighting gym with gloves.
anyways, NOW (after getting fundamentals down) we spar harder at my current gym (but not aiming to kill each other). im totally fine with that. not developing bad habbits.

anyways, on with the topic...
it has now come to a discussion of terminology lol, but nobody's willing to admit the other is correct as well lol.

[Rockin']

Ray might be Rockin, I think they might be the same person.

Yeah, true knowledge is hard to disguise. But we are not the same person. Ray's a straight shooter who knows his stuff, I've always liked him.

i really cant tell if you intend to reply with sarcasm or not lol.
kids there be throwing ugly punches with so much desperation for power and no technique... how do you learn from that? lol. basically a street fighting gym with gloves.
anyways, NOW (after getting fundamentals down) we spar harder at my current gym (but not aiming to kill each other). im totally fine with that. not developing bad habbits.

anyways, on with the topic...
it has now come to a discussion of terminology lol, but nobody's willing to admit the other is correct as well lol.

No sarcasm.

Your kids throwing the **** punches have obviously not been properly trained then, they should not even be in the ring sparring yet.

If I was told, when beginning boxing, to only throw the jab or one-two then I went in there and threw it. If the kid couldn't take it than he should probably find a different sport to PLAY.

Once you ring my bell abit we were fighting.

I have no regrets throwing hard as I did because then they would be throwing hard right back at me an then we learned to fight. Jab only, one-two only, whatever. Practice fighting at half speed and then go to your fights and you're going to fight at half speed, that'll be all that you're conditioned to do. When your man comes out firing hard, as he's trained to, who do you believe will be stronger in the last part of the fight?

Fight hard, train even harder and you'll be fine............

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Right hook for an orthodox fighter is pretty much non existent unless your totally squared up, or your moving backwards and your opponent charges in and you can use his momentum to your advantage..

Much like how a left hook is nothing for a southpaw.. Like others have mentioned, it's all due to your feet positioning.. Having a lead foot out in front will negate any power for the rear hand hook..

You can use the right hook to the body on the inside with effectiveness but not for head shots or at range