Punch like tyson

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I too have yet to see a single thing that actually improves the chin. Everyone is always touting this or that but there doesn't seem to be any empirical data whatsoever. Work out the neck they say. Chew on Pine tar they say.. I wonder if some guys are just made of glass and will always be that way.

I have been in boxing for over 25 years, either as a fighter or trainer and I have yet to see that evidence either. taking a punch is weird, there's some really big, strong guys that can't take it and then I have seen small, thin guys that have iron in their chin.

I can hold the mitts for a kid and tell almost immediately whether or not he has power or speed. Again, you can improve your speed or power but to have that one punch KO power, it's something you're born with.

[AlexKid]

I too have yet to see a single thing that actually improves the chin. Everyone is always touting this or that but there doesn't seem to be any empirical data whatsoever. Work out the neck they say. Chew on Pine tar they say.. I wonder if some guys are just made of glass and will always be that way.

Its very simple, you are born a certain way and you cant change that, and there are certain things you you can do to enhance what you have.

You dont need any empirical data for that.

A thin neck can be built thick and it will help absorb some force so less force goes to your brain, will it give you a rock head? No! Will it help your chances? Yes!

[DIB42]

I can hold the mitts for a kid and tell almost immediately whether or not he has power or speed. Again, you can improve your speed or power but to have that one punch KO power, it's something you're born with.

This has been my experience as well. I've had a few kids that didn't have much power, and we were able to develope them into guys with knockout power. However, there are some guys that have no formal training, and within a minute on the mitts, you feel the weight in their hands, you feel some extra "natural" thudding and pop when they hit. And you know that they've got one punch KO power that they were just born with.

Its a distinct feeling on the mitts.

[AlexKid]

This has been my experience as well. I've had a few kids that didn't have much power, and we were able to develope them into guys with knockout power. However, there are some guys that have no formal training, and within a minute on the mitts, you feel the weight in their hands, you feel some extra "natural" thudding and pop when they hit. And you know that they've got one punch KO power that they were just born with.

Its a distinct feeling on the mitts.

Dempsey said there are alot of punchers that never become punchers due to a lack of technique, they would fair badly on the mitts too despite being potential bombers, genetics and technique are both huge factors.

[DIB42]

This is not true.

You can get a world class sprinter without any idea on how to throw a punch and he will hit like a girl despite having the potential to hit like a beast (very pure athlete in terms of speed power bone density etc) but you can get an average athlete and he knows a little bit of technique or intuitively gets it better and he will hit harder until the pure athlete is trained properly.

Rather than the mits the vertical leap would be a better indicator of power potential! Although thats not ideal either, but it at least shows what their explosivness is like.

This makes no sense as an argument to my point.

From my personal experience, there are just some people who hit harder than others, whether trained or not. Some can learn to hit very hard, but some people start off naturally hitting very hard.

[AlexKid]

This makes no sense as an argument to my point.

From my personal experience, there are just some people who hit harder than others, whether trained or not. Some can learn to hit very hard, but some people start off naturally hitting very hard.

Dempsey said there are alot of punchers that never become punchers due to a lack of technique, they would fair badly on the mitts too despite being potential bombers, genetics and technique are both huge factors.

You cant tell that early on on the mitts

[DIB42]

Dempsey said there are alot of punchers that never become punchers due to a lack of technique, they would fair badly on the mitts too despite being potential bombers, genetics and technique are both huge factors

Im familiar with Dempseys idea that punchers are made and not born. And he makes a good case for it, there are many people who lack powerful punches largely do to technique. However, there are many people with nearly flawless technique that still lack one punch KO power, and guys who have terrible technique that do have one punch KO power...

Some people got it, and some people don't.

Also the mitts aren't used to judge power, I've just noticed when doing mitt work with some of the kids, you'll find out rather quickly who's got that little something extra that comes naturally.

[DIB42]

You cant tell that early on on the mitts

I beg to differ... having assisted in training quite a few MMA fighters in some of the finer aspects of boxing/striking, I stand by what i've eye-witnessed.