weight training in boxing

[DaveJH]

the fact is that every single boxer that ever lived used weights be it their body, gloves, a heavy bag, or a sparring partner.

now heavy weights is what the issue is.

can you please link hopkins training routine to show what kind of weight he used?

I've seen a training compilation and it shows him doing dumbell bench press. I'm at college at the moment and youtube is filtered but I have an idea what video it is, search 'Bernard Hopkins Move Back' and a compilation should come up.

Heavy weights really isn't an issue as long as it's done properly. I fail to see how lifting heavy weights explosively can harm a boxer. Being able to exert more force in a shorter amount of time transfers across to punching extremely well.

[Spartacus Sully]

I've seen a training compilation and it shows him doing dumbell bench press. I'm at college at the moment and youtube is filtered but I have an idea what video it is, search 'Bernard Hopkins Move Back' and a compilation should come up.

Heavy weights really isn't an issue as long as it's done properly. I fail to see how lifting heavy weights explosively can harm a boxer. Being able to exert more force in a shorter amount of time transfers across to punching extremely well.

are you familiar with the purpose of slow twitch fibers? the perform fine motor skills.

are you familiar with the purpose of fast twitch fibers? they explode out at full force.

ok now when you lift heavy you become more explosive not because your lifitn heavy but because you are recruiting all your fibers.

ok so now when you lift heavy you are likely to cause microtears in your musles resulting in hypertrophy, and because of the explosive nature of fast twitch fibers you are actaully 10 times more liekly to cause hypertrophy in your fast twitch fibers when lifting heavy.

now the result is that the ratio of fast twitch to slow twitch fibers becomes much more infavor of the fast twitch fibers.

the result of this is a drastic imparement of your fine motor skills, as well fast twitch fibers have much less endurance so its an imparement to endurance.

now fine motor skills is the core to punching, its a coordinated movement of muscles starting at the foot and moving to your hand. so by imparing your fine motor skills you actually impare your speed.

along with speed of the punch your fine motor skills also deal with things like distance, timing, and blocking, slipping, foot work, ect.

the imparement of these would leave you at a drastic disadvantage in boxing.



so how are we going to improve how well we can recruit our muscle fibers with out drastically changing the ratio between slo twitch and fast twitch fibers????? Plyo metrics with light weights.

Plyo's explosiveness allow you to improve your ability to recruit more muscular fibers while the light weights like a 8 lb med ball or 8 lb sledge dosnt result in you being 10 times more liekly to cause hypertropty in your fast twitch fibers.

thusw heavy weights beyond your body weight is pretty much worthless in boxing and when done regularly will acutally impare boxing ability.

[DaveJH]

are you familiar with the purpose of slow twitch fibers? the perform fine motor skills.

are you familiar with the purpose of fast twitch fibers? they explode out at full force.

ok now when you lift heavy you become more explosive not because your lifitn heavy but because you are recruiting all your fibers.

ok so now when you lift heavy you are likely to cause microtears in your musles resulting in hypertrophy, and because of the explosive nature of fast twitch fibers you are actaully 10 times more liekly to cause hypertrophy in your fast twitch fibers when lifting heavy.

now the result is that the ratio of fast twitch to slow twitch fibers becomes much more infavor of the fast twitch fibers.

the result of this is a drastic imparement of your fine motor skills, as well fast twitch fibers have much less endurance so its an imparement to endurance.

now fine motor skills is the core to punching, its a coordinated movement of muscles starting at the foot and moving to your hand. so by imparing your fine motor skills you actually impare your speed.

along with speed of the punch your fine motor skills also deal with things like distance, timing, and blocking, slipping, foot work, ect.

the imparement of these would leave you at a drastic disadvantage in boxing.



so how are we going to improve how well we can recruit our muscle fibers with out drastically changing the ratio between slo twitch and fast twitch fibers????? Plyo metrics with light weights.

Plyo's explosiveness allow you to improve your ability to recruit more muscular fibers while the light weights like a 8 lb med ball or 8 lb sledge dosnt result in you being 10 times more liekly to cause hypertropty in your fast twitch fibers.

thusw heavy weights beyond your body weight is pretty much worthless in boxing and when done regularly will acutally impare boxing ability.

No. Different fibres are used for different tasks. Slow twitch fibres are best suited to aerobic activities distance running which is still a gross movement, not a fine one. A punch is still a gross movement as it uses all of the muscles in the body like you said. Fine movements use very few muscles so something like throwing a dart or suchlike classes as a fine movement.

Slow twitch = aerobic dealing with the aerobic system.
Fast twitch = Short, intense bursts. Such as throwing a combination or single punch. Uses either the ATP-PC energy system or the lactic acid system. The only aerobic part of boxing is movement round the ring. Slips, rolls, punches, and combinations are all fast-twitch movements as they are over within literally seconds.

Edit: I'm not discounting the importance of other methods of training, but I hate the typical view in boxing that 'oo big scary weights will make you a worse athlete' when the reverse is true if done properly.

I'm out of this, i'm getting far too frustrated.

[dctopboots01]

are you familiar with the purpose of slow twitch fibers? the perform fine motor skills.

are you familiar with the purpose of fast twitch fibers? they explode out at full force.

ok now when you lift heavy you become more explosive not because your lifitn heavy but because you are recruiting all your fibers.

ok so now when you lift heavy you are likely to cause microtears in your musles resulting in hypertrophy, and because of the explosive nature of fast twitch fibers you are actaully 10 times more liekly to cause hypertrophy in your fast twitch fibers when lifting heavy.

now the result is that the ratio of fast twitch to slow twitch fibers becomes much more infavor of the fast twitch fibers.

the result of this is a drastic imparement of your fine motor skills, as well fast twitch fibers have much less endurance so its an imparement to endurance.

now fine motor skills is the core to punching, its a coordinated movement of muscles starting at the foot and moving to your hand. so by imparing your fine motor skills you actually impare your speed.

along with speed of the punch your fine motor skills also deal with things like distance, timing, and blocking, slipping, foot work, ect.

the imparement of these would leave you at a drastic disadvantage in boxing.



so how are we going to improve how well we can recruit our muscle fibers with out drastically changing the ratio between slo twitch and fast twitch fibers????? Plyo metrics with light weights.

Plyo's explosiveness allow you to improve your ability to recruit more muscular fibers while the light weights like a 8 lb med ball or 8 lb sledge dosnt result in you being 10 times more liekly to cause hypertropty in your fast twitch fibers.

thusw heavy weights beyond your body weight is pretty much worthless in boxing and when done regularly will acutally impare boxing ability.

If you never open your mind you'll never improve. That's why I'm unbeaten and turning pro and you are not. Boxing is 70% anaerobic therefore using more fast twich than slow twich fibres.

[Spartacus Sully]

No. Different fibres are used for different tasks. Slow twitch fibres are best suited to aerobic activities distance running which is still a gross movement, not a fine one. A punch is still a gross movement as it uses all of the muscles in the body like you said. Fine movements use very few muscles so something like throwing a dart or suchlike classes as a fine movement.

Slow twitch = aerobic dealing with the aerobic system.
Fast twitch = Short, intense bursts. Such as throwing a combination or single punch. Uses either the ATP-PC energy system or the lactic acid system. The only aerobic part of boxing is movement round the ring. Slips, rolls, punches, and combinations are all fast-twitch movements as they are over within literally seconds.

Edit: I'm not discounting the importance of other methods of training, but I hate the typical view in boxing that 'oo big scary weights will make you a worse athlete' when the reverse is true if done properly.

I'm out of this, i'm getting far too frustrated.

what have you accomplished in the boxing world that you can prove?

absolutely nothing.

you know marathon runners run 5 min miles for 26 miles straight... i doubt they have that great a fast twitch fiber ratio...and yet they are so fast.


personally i hate personal trainers and people who have done absolutely nothing in the boxing world who show up and **** on how world champion boxers have been training for centuries.

i hate the kind of people who ask what the most logical way to do this better, instead of the people who ask why has this worked so well for centuries?

[NoLove]

If you never open your mind you'll never improve. That's why I'm unbeaten and turning pro and you are not. Boxing is 70% anaerobic therefore using more fast twich than slow twich fibres.

So your 12-0 as an amateur?

[Spartacus Sully]

If you never open your mind you'll never improve. That's why I'm unbeaten and turning pro and you are not. Boxing is 70% anaerobic therefore using more fast twich than slow twich fibres.

exactly, if you never open your mind you will never improve.

stick to what you think you know and let me know when you become world champion.

hell let me know when you post up some kind of proof of your outrageous claims.

try this:

make a blocking motion.

now have some one throw a punch at you, if you find your self moving slower then when you were just making the blocking motion in thin air that's because you lift to much heavy weight.


while the punch/block is fast twitch your ability to control where its going is 100% slow twitch.

[Young Money]

If the science is there why not take advantage?

Strength training is good when you are not lifting to fatigue.

I have never been "too sore" to box the day after low rep high weight strength training.

Every other elite athlete in the world incorportates some type of weight training in their regieme.

[Spartacus Sully]

If the science is there why not take advantage?

Strength training is good when you are not lifting to fatigue.

I have never been "too sore" to box the day after low rep high weight strength training.

Every other elite athlete in the world incorportates some type of weight training in their regieme.

boxers use weights, what is a 16oz glove if not a 1 lb weight?

what is your body if not a weight?

what is a heavy bag?

you make generalizes statements so you can make an argument, you only purpose in this thread is to troll along with every one else that makes it seem like im saying dont use weight, when really all im saying is dont use 3-5 sets of 3-5 reps of weight at 75-95% 1rm

the guys above me would have you believe im telling you fast twitch fibers are bad when really im saying that too great a ratio of fast twitch fibers is bad.

your all just trolls, with little to no provable experience in boxing.

i may not have much experience in boxing either...but im not the one claiming that what boxers have been doing for centuries is all wrong. im the one defending what boxers from sullivan to dempsey to srr to ali to mayweather do and did.


seriously though, is it your goal to make ****ty boxers by training that heavy weights is ok so that when they never make anything of themselves they can join mma?

are you guys like mma coaches? or personal trainers? or something? cause i know your not decent boxers or boxing coaches.

[Spartacus Sully]

I've seen a training compilation and it shows him doing dumbell bench press. I'm at college at the moment and youtube is filtered but I have an idea what video it is, search 'Bernard Hopkins Move Back' and a compilation should come up.

Heavy weights really isn't an issue as long as it's done properly. I fail to see how lifting heavy weights explosively can harm a boxer. Being able to exert more force in a shorter amount of time transfers across to punching extremely well.

at 28 seconds, at most its a 25 lb barbell plate that hes doing explosive plyos with.

light weight plyos, not heavy weight 3-5 rep routine. thank you for proving my point that plyos with light weights are better then 3-5 rep heavy weight routines, and benard hopkins even agrees.

now later in it he is using maybe 16 lbs with a neck harness, thats not too bad as allready mentioned adding mass to your neck will allow you to take hits better. but im sure hes not doing 3-5 reps at 75-95% 1 rm with that neck harness.