Getting Annoyed with Keyboard Warriors

[New England]

What the hell are you talking about ?? MMA fighters train just as hard if not harder than boxers.

and that's why they gas out so quickly?


right. there are very few true 5 round MMA fighters and athletes.
being a 12 round boxer takes years. john jones is an MMA world champion after 3 years in the sport and it doesn't look like anybody is going to be able to touch him.
you know what happens if you challenge for a world title after 3 years as a pro in boxing ? you get your ass handed to you late in the fight and get knocked out.





almost all MMA fighters are built up
almost no boxers are built up
they boil down through hard work over years. it takes so much longer to boil down than it does to build up.
years. for the best of the best its usually more than a decade.
when you talk about progress in boxing the general unit of measurement is a year. "he needs a year or so to develop."


if you train harder than a top tier boxer you overtrain and will start to get dinged up

period.



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a clue

[dctopboots01]

What the hell are you talking about ?? MMA fighters train just as hard if not harder than boxers.

I have never watched, had any interest or competed in MMA. I know nothing about it or its training methods.

[dctopboots01]

In one thread about a guy wanting to know how to let his hands go more in sparring you replied with some routine to improve his shoulder/arm conditioning.

This had nothing to do with what the guy asked, you just copied and pasted some random conditioning routine to promote yourself.

It was in poor form.

Why bother taking advice from someone that doesn't understand or listen to what a poster is asking.

Right, I am 9 fights unbeaten with 7 stoppages. If any of you are from London, I'll easily prove it. I know the weighlifting has nothing to do with boxing, I was asked to put it up there. I know nothing about MMA, nothing at all. And whoever posted that training ahs to last longer to be better, is an idiot!

[dctopboots01]

^^^^

has nothig to do with boxing...

www.rosstraining.com

I'm sure he'll disagree

[Young Money]

Right, I am 9 fights unbeaten with 7 stoppages. If any of you are from London, I'll easily prove it. I know the weighlifting has nothing to do with boxing, I was asked to put it up there. I know nothing about MMA, nothing at all. And whoever posted that training ahs to last longer to be better, is an idiot!

I'm not sure why you are desperately seeking the approval of random strangers on an internet forum.

[dctopboots01]

I'm not sure why you are desperately seeking the approval of random strangers on an internet forum.

I am in no way seeking approval...Where are you from?

[Spartacus Sully]

throwing up a heavy weight as fast as you can is alot lot lot lot lot diffrent then hitting an exact point at an exact time while your at the perfect distance.

if you spend all your time doing explosive movements with heavy weights you lose your accurecy, timing, and ability to tell distance. as heavy weights work fast twitch muscles and slow twitch muslces are soely responsible for fine motor skills like accuercy timing and ability to tell distance.

now inorder to retain accurecy, timing, and distance you subconciously slow yourself down.

soooo all that explosive heavy lifting just slows you down. you gain strength for clinching and stuff but you lose technique.

if you lift alot of heavy weights, try this:

move your arms like your blocking punches.

now get a friend to throw punches at you alittle faster then half speed and block the punches.

youll probly notice that you could move your arms alot faster when you wernt trying to block actual punches.

this is because you see where the punches are going so you have to get your hands to a specific point in order to block. getting to that point is a matter of fine motor skills and with your slow twitch muscles over powered by your fast twitch it is harder to aim for that exact point, so subconciously you slow your self down so you dont over shoot or under shoot where your aiming.

if you want to train your best bet is to look into plyo training becuase you use a lighter weight so the exercise is less likely to increase your slow twitch to fast twitch muscle mass ratio.

[dctopboots01]

throwing up a heavy weight as fast as you can is alot lot lot lot lot diffrent then hitting an exact point at an exact time while your at the perfect distance.

if you spend all your time doing explosive movements with heavy weights you lose your accurecy, timing, and ability to tell distance. as heavy weights work fast twitch muscles and slow twitch muslces are soely responsible for fine motor skills like accuercy timing and ability to tell distance.

now inorder to retain accurecy, timing, and distance you subconciously slow yourself down.

soooo all that explosive heavy lifting just slows you down. you gain strength for clinching and stuff but you lose technique.

if you lift alot of heavy weights, try this:

move your arms like your blocking punches.

now get a friend to throw punches at you alittle faster then half speed and block the punches.

youll probly notice that you could move your arms alot faster when you wernt trying to block actual punches.

this is because you see where the punches are going so you have to get your hands to a specific point in order to block. getting to that point is a matter of fine motor skills and with your slow twitch muscles over powered by your fast twitch it is harder to aim for that exact point, so subconciously you slow your self down so you dont over shoot or under shoot where your aiming.

if you want to train your best bet is to look into plyo training becuase you use a lighter weight so the exercise is less likely to increase your slow twitch to fast twitch muscle mass ratio.

I lift for 30-45 minutes twice a week. That's hardly a lot. I box for 2 hours 3-4 times a week and run 4-5 times a week. It's a tiny part of my training...I'm just good at it!

[dctopboots01]

throwing up a heavy weight as fast as you can is alot lot lot lot lot diffrent then hitting an exact point at an exact time while your at the perfect distance.

if you spend all your time doing explosive movements with heavy weights you lose your accurecy, timing, and ability to tell distance. as heavy weights work fast twitch muscles and slow twitch muslces are soely responsible for fine motor skills like accuercy timing and ability to tell distance.

now inorder to retain accurecy, timing, and distance you subconciously slow yourself down.

soooo all that explosive heavy lifting just slows you down. you gain strength for clinching and stuff but you lose technique.

if you lift alot of heavy weights, try this:

move your arms like your blocking punches.

now get a friend to throw punches at you alittle faster then half speed and block the punches.

youll probly notice that you could move your arms alot faster when you wernt trying to block actual punches.

this is because you see where the punches are going so you have to get your hands to a specific point in order to block. getting to that point is a matter of fine motor skills and with your slow twitch muscles over powered by your fast twitch it is harder to aim for that exact point, so subconciously you slow your self down so you dont over shoot or under shoot where your aiming.

if you want to train your best bet is to look into plyo training becuase you use a lighter weight so the exercise is less likely to increase your slow twitch to fast twitch muscle mass ratio.

And if you want to talk about plyos...you should look at the numerous posts I've done on the subject...I do them more than weights...

[Spartacus Sully]

I lift for 30-45 minutes twice a week. That's hardly a lot. I box for 2 hours 3-4 times a week and run 4-5 times a week. It's a tiny part of my training...I'm just good at it!

i have no idea what you do.

just saying that heavy weights work your fast twitch muscles more then slow twitch and due to the explosive nature of fast twitch you are much more likely to cause micro tears in the fast twitch when lifting heavy weights which inturn causes hypertrophy causing you to increase the muscle mass ratio of fast twitch to slow twtich.

and that due to over powering your slow twitch muscles your ability to perform fine motor skills deminishes, thus making you either slower or worse technically.

in the end your almost making your self worse with lifting weights twice a week. but of course i dont know what your routine is so our definition of lifting might be two diffrent things.

personally id say that those 30-45 mins twice a week would be much better spent doing plyo's like jump squats depth jumps clap pushups medicin ball slams, ect...though that might be what your allready doing.

try blocking imaginary punches then try blocking actuall punches thrown at half speed. if you notice your alot slower blocking the real punches then how fast you know you can block imaginary punches then cut back on the weights.