The Myth Of Milk?

[Spartacus Sully]

Like I said. These studies are endless. Put it all together and only one thing seems clear. Dairy products are not good for people.

an observation is not evidence. that it seems clear shows that it only seems that way given the data you have supplied.

where on earth and we must have gotten here so there seems to be some one who created us.

an apple falls to the ground so it seems like gravity is pulling the apple down.

tiny particles like pollen when suspened in water are moving very randomly when looked at through a microscope they almost seem to be alive so they must be.....unless you have an understanding of entrophy and what atoms are.

on top of that some of your evidence dosnt even have a connection to milk

In Pediatrics (2000), published by the American Academy of Pediatrics, Pennsylvania State University researchers showed that calcium intake, which ranged from 500 to 1,500 mg per day, had no lasting effect on the bone health of girls in their teens. "We (had) hypothesized that increased calcium intake would result in better adolescent bone gain. Needless to say, we were surprised to find our hypothesis refuted," one researcher explained.

too much calcium dosnt do anything. what does this have to do with milk?

After reviewing studies on the link between protein intake and urinary calcium loss, dairy industry researcher Dr. Robert P. Heaney found that as consumption of protein increases, so does the amount of calcium lost in the urine (Journal of the American Dietetic Association, 1993): "This effect has been documented in several different study designs for more than 70 years," he writes, adding, "The net effect is such that, if protein intake is doubled without changing intake of other nutrients, urinary calcium content increases by about 50 percent."

protien and calcium nothing to do directly with milk.

Another Italian study, published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, reported that adult women who reduce their dietary intake of fat and animal protein substantially lower their risk of breast cancer.

nothing to do with calcium or even bones

Studies published in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association and the British Medical Journal found that consuming three additional servings of nonfat or 1 percent milk for 12 weeks was associated with a 10 percent increase in IGF-1 levels. The Food and Drug Administration reports that IGF-1 is not destroyed by pasteurization. In fact, pasteurization actually increases its concentration in rBGH milk.

IGF1 is actually a natural molecular structure similar to insulin. IGF-1 is the abbreviation for Insulin-Like Growth Factor 1.Know in scientific circles as a polypeptide protein hormone, IGF-1 or Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 plays a vital role in childhood growth and stimulates anabolic effects (muscle building) in adults.

whats your point? dosnt really seem like a bad thing, maybe in women.

According to a report published by the American Academy of Allergy and Immunology Committee on Adverse Reactions to Food (part of the National Institutes of Health), the allergies of up to one third of children tested cleared after milk was removed from their diet.

Yes people are allergic to things.

A study of children in 40 countries found that the incidence of juvenile diabetes was directly related to diet: The higher the consumption of cow’s milk and other animal products, the greater the chance of developing diabetes. Conversely, children who consumed a largely vegetarian diet had a much lower incidence of diabetes.

now where linking it to diabeties...what dosnt milk cause im beginning to think some where in your post your gonna try and link it to aids....and its not even milk we are comparing, its a high protien diet to a low protien diet.

[bklynboy]

All right. I'm going to whip together a few more pieces of info to make this convincing enough for everyone. But I want everyone to realize that osteoporosis can't be tested over the course of a two week double blind study. It must be long term, so there will always be other variables but the number of studies showing a strong correlation between milk intake and bone loss is stagering.

In Pediatrics (2000), published by the American Academy of Pediatrics, Pennsylvania State University researchers showed that calcium intake, which ranged from 500 to 1,500 mg per day, had no lasting effect on the bone health of girls in their teens. "We (had) hypothesized that increased calcium intake would result in better adolescent bone gain. Needless to say, we were surprised to find our hypothesis refuted," one researcher explained.

After reviewing studies on the link between protein intake and urinary calcium loss, dairy industry researcher Dr. Robert P. Heaney found that as consumption of protein increases, so does the amount of calcium lost in the urine (Journal of the American Dietetic Association, 1993): "This effect has been documented in several different study designs for more than 70 years," he writes, adding, "The net effect is such that, if protein intake is doubled without changing intake of other nutrients, urinary calcium content increases by about 50 percent."

Japanese women who follow a more Western-style, meat- and dairy-based diet are eight times more likely to develop breast cancer than their counterparts who eat a plant-based diet not containing dairy products.

Another Italian study, published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, reported that adult women who reduce their dietary intake of fat and animal protein substantially lower their risk of breast cancer.

Studies published in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association and the British Medical Journal found that consuming three additional servings of nonfat or 1 percent milk for 12 weeks was associated with a 10 percent increase in IGF-1 levels. The Food and Drug Administration reports that IGF-1 is not destroyed by pasteurization. In fact, pasteurization actually increases its concentration in rBGH milk.

According to a report published by the American Academy of Allergy and Immunology Committee on Adverse Reactions to Food (part of the National Institutes of Health), the allergies of up to one third of children tested cleared after milk was removed from their diet.

The mucus created by milk may cause other health problems, as well. Dr. William Ellis, who has studied the effects of dairy foods for more than four decades, says that milk is "simply no good for humans." Dr. Ellis believes that the excess mucus caused by milk can harden to form a coating on the inner wall of the intestines, hindering the absorption of nutrients and possibly leading to chronic fatigue.

A study of children in 40 countries found that the incidence of juvenile diabetes was directly related to diet: The higher the consumption of cow’s milk and other animal products, the greater the chance of developing diabetes. Conversely, children who consumed a largely vegetarian diet had a much lower incidence of diabetes.

In a study published in the International Journal of Cardiology, researchers studied seven countries with a high consumption of dairy products and found that heart disease mortality rose as milk supply rose

Researchers who studied dietary links to heart disease in 32 countries found that, of all dietary factors studied, milk carbohydrates played the biggest role in the development of heart disease in men over 35, and nonfat milk played the biggest role in the development of coronary heart disease in men over 45. (4)

Like I said. These studies are endless. Put it all together and only one thing seems clear. Dairy products are not good for people.

I understand what you're saying but there is a major problem with comparing "Japanese" women who change their diet with a person with central asian ancestry (that's most white/european people and many south asian people). The Japanese never ate milk products. People with central Asian history have had milk products as a center of their diet for close to 10 millenia (4-500 generations).

Now, I must say I'm not talking about drinking milk but of consuming dairy products cheese (parmesian, feta, brie, aged goudas), yogurt types, kefir and the like. This is not cheez whiz, hagen-daz, cheez puffs, faux cheeses that are in most pizzas, etc...

Don't compare populations eating a healthy diet to ones eating primarily over-processed fast-foods.

As a nutritionist you know that many people say there are serious problems with tofu. And yet hundreds of millions of people have lived long-healthy lives with on a soy diet. The same is true with dairy products. Hundreds of millions of people have lived long-healty lives consuming dairy products. Among the questions needed to be asked are: do different people digest the food differently? are you comparing same products? Or to make a bad pun: are you comparing tofu to tofu or dairy products to dairy products?

[Righthandbanger]

right, but what about the studies made on chocolate milk and post workout muscle recovery?
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/152240.php

so basically your beef is not with milk but with meat in general, milk is good. just make sure you get other nutrients

[EzzardFan]

There's also some evidence that cows milk may contribute to cancer, although not milk from the channel island herds which lack the particular protein that is thought to cause this. So if you must drink cows milk then that would be your safest option.

[Trices]

so basically your beef is not with milk but with meat in general, milk is good. just make sure you get other nutrients

Wait, he has a beef with meat? Sorry, that was a horrible joke

[Righthandbanger]

pretty much everything causes cancer nowdays.. I think I'll focus on whats good for me in the short term

[Double Jab]

pretty much everything causes cancer nowdays.. I think I'll focus on whats good for me in the short term

Focusing on the short term causes cancer, be careful.

[Richie-G]

All of this 'evidence' against milk seems to me like it is just pointing out a correlation. These studies cannot establish causality. Could it be that people in the west are generally less healthy and have worse diets, which would cause osteoporosis? I agree some of the evidence is compelling, but people have drank milk for thousands of years. All this evidence won't stop me....

[luv4boxing84]

an observation is not evidence. that it seems clear shows that it only seems that way given the data you have supplied.

where on earth and we must have gotten here so there seems to be some one who created us.

an apple falls to the ground so it seems like gravity is pulling the apple down.

tiny particles like pollen when suspened in water are moving very randomly when looked at through a microscope they almost seem to be alive so they must be.....unless you have an understanding of entrophy and what atoms are.

on top of that some of your evidence dosnt even have a connection to milk



too much calcium dosnt do anything. what does this have to do with milk?



protien and calcium nothing to do directly with milk.



nothing to do with calcium or even bones



IGF1 is actually a natural molecular structure similar to insulin. IGF-1 is the abbreviation for Insulin-Like Growth Factor 1.Know in scientific circles as a polypeptide protein hormone, IGF-1 or Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 plays a vital role in childhood growth and stimulates anabolic effects (muscle building) in adults.

whats your point? dosnt really seem like a bad thing, maybe in women.



Yes people are allergic to things.




now where linking it to diabeties...what dosnt milk cause im beginning to think some where in your post your gonna try and link it to aids....and its not even milk we are comparing, its a high protien diet to a low protien diet.

This is really getting old. I put the calcium intake study in there because someone had said milk is good becuase of calcium. So that answered that. Extra calcium, from milk or otherwise does not help the bones.

Protein and calcium have everything to do with milk. They are both in it in large quan******. If they have negative effects, then milk will.

I tossed the cancer thing in there because it was also thinked to milk. The thread is about milk and if it is good or not.

IGF-1 is not all it is cracked up to be. It has been linked to fat loss and hypertrophy, but also a shorter lifespan. But then again, its just a correlation. So it must be wrong. Right

Yes, people are allergic to things, especially milk.

And yes, it has been linked to diabetes. In fact the two strongest correlations with milk consumption I have researched are osteoporosis and type 1 diabetes.

Bottom line, milk is for infants. In every species. Some of us may have developed the ability to tolerate milk into adulthood. Doesnt mean its good for us.

The dietary change I am most proud of is limiting my dairy. My allergies went away, I breath easier, and I no longer get hand injuries. Correlation? I would say so. Proof? nope. I still know.

And to the other comment from bklynboy:
There is an issue with it being only japanese women. It is still interesting though. And some where in the mess of studies in this thread I posted one comparing two groups of american woman. One agreeing to stop drinking milk. It showed twice the bone loss in the milk group.

[alza1988]

http://www.realmilk.com/
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/faq/260.html