Wow, I didnt realize there so many benifets to lifting weights........

[SplitSecond]

i added more as soon as i posted it...seems you caught me before i edited.

but none the less the facts are there. Your just playing hardheading and trying to cling on to erroneous opinion

so the clits swim? what's your point? is that their secret to their super speed and athletism? will you just shut the **** up and read the article i posted you clown, **** sake man, why are you duckin and dodgin it? oh, yea, cuz you know you can't counter-argue....

[MidnightSpecial]

so the clits swim? what's your point? is that their secret to their super speed and athletism? will you just shut the **** up and read the article i posted you clown, **** sake man, why are you duckin and dodgin it? oh, yea, cuz you know you can't counter-argue....

haha you are by far the most hardheaded son of a ***** on this website.

You are one of those people who can never admit they are wrong even when they know it. Its like talking to a Pacquiao fan. Im done in this thread. I always keep myself from arguing with idiots. Ive let myself slide this time.

You are a ****ing tool and i will find it hard to respect any post made by you in the future.

[SplitSecond]

haha you are by far the most hardheaded son of a ***** on this website.

You are one of those people who can never admit they are wrong even when they know it. Its like talking to a Pacquiao fan. Im done in this thread. I always keep myself from arguing with idiots. Ive let myself slide this time.

You are a ****ing tool and i will find it hard to respect any post made by you in the future.

how come you didn't reply to the article?

people in denial, e.g:

denial:"he never did steroids fool"
proof: "shows video proof of fighter doing steroids"
denial:"that could be anything that he's injecting in his arm you ******, i dont hear him sayin it's steroids"
proof:"......watch the video till end"
denial:"......."
proof:"see you were wrong"
denial:"hahaha, you are by far the most hardheaded son of a ***** on this site, you just can't admit your wrong"
proof:"?? aren't you gonna reply to the proof im showing you?"
denial:"hahaha, your a ****ing tool, it's like talking to a pacquiao fan, im out of here"
proof:"...wht the ****?"

[XcERTIFIEdX]

I haven´t read any of this but alot of you do not know what you are talking about. I am a personal trained (certified) and you are all ignoring the science behind it. The function of muscle is to produce force and cause motion.
heres some food for thought
"All muscles derive from paraxial mesoderm[2]. The paraxial mesoderm is divided along the embryo's length into somites, corresponding to the segmentation of the body (most obviously seen in the vertebral column[2]. Each somite has 3 divisions, sclerotome (which forms vertebrae), dermatome (which forms skin), and myotome (which forms muscle)[2]. The myotome is divided into two sections, the epimere and hypomere, which form epaxial and hypaxial muscles, respectively[2]. Epaxial muscles in humans are only the erector spinae and small intervertebral muscles, and are innervated by the dorsal rami of the spinal nerves[2]. All other muscles, including limb muscles, are hypaxial muscles, formed from the hypomere, and inervated by the ventral rami of the spinal nerves[2].

During development, myoblasts (muscle progenitor cells) either remain in the somite to form muscles associated with the vertebral column or migrate out into the body to form all other muscles[2]. Myoblast migration is preceded by the formation of connective tissue frameworks, usually formed from the somatic lateral plate mesoderm[2]. Myoblasts follow chemical signals to the appropriate locations, where they fuse into elongate skeletal muscle cells"

Does that help?
anyway muscle is the main consumer of your bodies energy. Makes sense that what you want is to develop USEFUL muscle and not waste it on muscle that is pretty. Its all about white blood cells, ATP and your CO2 max. THink also of lactic acid.

Weight training is useful, so is calisthenics, but nothing hits the muscle like targeted heavy weight training, weight training also helps strengthen connective tissue, bones and the nerves that stimulate the muscle, makes lactic acid removal faster and more efficient and generally help CNS efficiency. Now some of us are BORN with more slow twitch than fast twitch muscle. Those boxerswith pred. slow twitch will DEFINITELY benefit from heavy weight training, those lucky naturally muscular and fast twitch might only have to do calisthenics. All about the person and their genetic disposition.

Trouble is people are trying to generalise what works for everyone.

[AddiX]

The best weight lifting is Kettle bells and cords. Boxers should be focusing on their core and legs, not building up manikin muscles.

[XcERTIFIEdX]

The best weight lifting is Kettle bells and cords. Boxers should be focusing on their core and legs, not building up manikin muscles.

Yes and no, depends on the person and their specific micro and macro needs

[supRa]

yea ive started liftin weights ive noticed more endurance in with the speed bag and jump ropes, my arms dont get as tired.... same goes with the mitts, i did 3 rounds of mitts and i haavnet even been runnin lol... ima stick with this

[Phenomkidd]

did you read the article i posted? if you did you'd know why it's different

running is a nice near full body workout too, didn't help phenomkid too much

First of all you ignorant dumbass, don't claim to know my abilities. Has it helped me of course, you idiot. Whats more tiring? MMA moreso than boxing. Going 3 rounds is pretty tiring unless you verse someone who sucks. I can go the full 3, will I be tired at the end vs. a good adversary, yes. You obviously choose to disregard to my follow-up post with you saying I had no cardio. You need to stop trying to attack me and learn to further your game, fcuking idiot.

stop crying, most of the responses where exactly the same as the one you posted right now, not counter-arguing at all, just being closed minded and not being able to accept that your wrong

You're so incredibly ****** that you don't notice your one sentence is so blatantly contradictory to your train of thought. No one said calisthenics are bad, we all use em, we all like em. YOU claim lifting is BAD, that is being close minded, that is not being able to accept you're wrong. Learn wtf you're talking about first before you try to seem smart and omniscient.

[chessplayer163]

Matrix is right

I'm a wrestler, and the Matrix is dead right.

Calisthenics and/or bodyweight is all you need and is FAR superior to weightlifting.

I love Boxing, but wrestling is the world's oldest sport, 5000 years of sport history. It requires the most overall fitness of all of sport.

The Russians dominate Wrestling, they have 19, 20, 21 year olds WIN the worlds and Olympics because they do BODYWEIGHT exercises.

ROPE climbing, pull ups, chin ups, You should see a 19 kid throw a 34 year old around and they LOOK skinny but have incredible strength that lasts and lasts.

I cannot believe the ignorance of all the WEIGHTLIFTERS, it is amazing. Weights will ruin your body, break it down.
The problem is there is so many BALL sport athletes that think they know it all and promote running and weights.

For all combat athletes, wrestlers, boxers, and so, BODYweight is the best.

[TheNegation]

I'm a wrestler, and the Matrix is dead right.

Calisthenics and/or bodyweight is all you need and is FAR superior to weightlifting.

I love Boxing, but wrestling is the world's oldest sport, 5000 years of sport history. It requires the most overall fitness of all of sport.

The Russians dominate Wrestling, they have 19, 20, 21 year olds WIN the worlds and Olympics because they do BODYWEIGHT exercises.

ROPE climbing, pull ups, chin ups, You should see a 19 kid throw a 34 year old around and they LOOK skinny but have incredible strength that lasts and lasts.

Do you have any proof of this?

Because I know for a fact almost all Olympic level wrestlers do some type of weight training in conjunction with calisthenics. Whether it be Oly Lifting or basic lifts like Squats, Bench and Deadlifts.

I'm sorry but doing an only bodyweight routine will never give you a full training benefit. You won't be as strong or as explosive or as fast as you could without resistance training of some kind.

I cannot believe the ignorance of all the WEIGHTLIFTERS, it is amazing. Weights will ruin your body, break it down.
The problem is there is so many BALL sport athletes that think they know it all and promote running and weights.

again where is the proof of this? The only body breakdown that comes from lifting weight comes from poor form or too much weight or a combination of both.

For all combat athletes, wrestlers, boxers, and so, BODYweight is the best.

I say again where is the proof that all you need is calisthenics?

Listen I'm not here saying Calisthenics are a waste of time, they have use and should be a staple in every training routine, but you and tehmatrix are the ones spewing ignorance.