Wow, I didnt realize there so many benifets to lifting weights........

[luv4boxing84]

hmm...

All of these have there benifits. Personally I love lifting, though I don't just stick to bench, squat and curls like a few I know. I'm naturally thin and all the calisthenics in the world never seemed to help me. For the last 5 years or so I have been doing power lifting, balistic lifting, long hold isometrics and plyoimetrics. My speed and power have become phenomenal, with no real effect on my stamina.

With I bigger person it may slow them down, but thats debatable. With me I hardly gain any weight, just continue getting stronger at roughly the same size.

I honestly think more boxers should train like this, I have meet an opponent in my division in years that I couldn't simply physically overwhealm. It has made me a little lazy with skills training though. Lol

[Phenomkidd]

i think your the ignorant one, if weights does not slow you down it will cut your stamina in half, it's one or the other

learn to face facts, i've quoted from an expert, lets see you quote from some other expert suggesting weight lifting is required or even more boldly better than calisthenics for boxing, this i gotta see

You're a damn tard. Slow you down or drain stamina is all coming from your false point of you gaining a lot of mass. THATS WHY THERE ARE STRENGTH ROUTINES AND MASS BUILDING ROUTINES. I'm 5'7" 157lbs, I do 55m, 100m, 200m, 300m, 400m, occasional 800m, Long Jump, occasional Triple Jump, Cross Country, Lift Weights, and do Calisthenics. I have pretty good stamina (take note that fight stamina is also different). I also bench ~215lbs 1RM, Leg Press ~600+ lbs, and I am by no means slow. I never won cross country because my legs are not long enough to beat the leaders and I don't have the build but I always stayed at least in the middle of the pack and was ALWAYS able to have a sprinting kick at the end. In sprinting I'm one of the best on my team and decent in the area. Long jump I'm decent, but with better form could be much better.

Summary: If you lift for Strength/Power/Explosiveness you will not get slower

Maybe I'll try to look up some article later, but for now you can take this as a first hand account.

Learn to face the facts, grow up and face the change.

[Danny Gunz]

do what you like, go lift as much weights as you want and end up like a kelly pavlik, see how slow and borderline **** of a boxer you'll turn into

and i can't believe the ******ity and ignorance, is it that hard to believe that calisthenics(which will use your whole body aka all your muscles) would leave you more ripped than bench pressing and doin arm curls?

you dont know what your talking about

[SplitSecond]

You're a damn tard. Slow you down or drain stamina is all coming from your false point of you gaining a lot of mass. THATS WHY THERE ARE STRENGTH ROUTINES AND MASS BUILDING ROUTINES. I'm 5'7" 157lbs, I do 55m, 100m, 200m, 300m, 400m, occasional 800m, Long Jump, occasional Triple Jump, Cross Country, Lift Weights, and do Calisthenics. I have pretty good stamina (take note that fight stamina is also different). I also bench ~215lbs 1RM, Leg Press ~600+ lbs, and I am by no means slow. I never won cross country because my legs are not long enough to beat the leaders and I don't have the build but I always stayed at least in the middle of the pack and was ALWAYS able to have a sprinting kick at the end. In sprinting I'm one of the best on my team and decent in the area. Long jump I'm decent, but with better form could be much better.

Summary: If you lift for Strength/Power/Explosiveness you will not get slower

Maybe I'll try to look up some article later, but for now you can take this as a first hand account.

Learn to face the facts, grow up and face the change.

are we talking about sprinting or boxing? i bet pavlik and froch wouldn't admit they are slow as snails

fight stamina is different? evidence that you probabley feel your gonna die after 3 rounds?

and for the record you don't have to be beefy to have weights cut your stamina, i know skinny(ripped but skinny) ****s that weight lift and will be out of stamina in a mere 10 minutes

[SplitSecond]

tehMatrix - Im assuming from this thread you implemented a weight training programme in the past into your boxing training, so please let me know what training you was doing and also at what part did you notice a reduction in stamina and quickness for the boxing side of things through lifting weight?

Thanks

i lifted for a year, i don't have a notepad with my exercises and ****
i just go in and train till failure
when i started boxing(at 16) it was just calisthenics, i am very athletic(mother was a soccer player, father soccer player, soldier)
when i started off, everyone including the coaches couldn't believe i've never boxed before, i have the technique down to a tee

soon after i turned 17 i started lifting, after a year i stopped lifting because i really felt it was limiting my usual movement and i just couldn't do what i used to, so i quit using the gym upstairs(in the boxing club)
after another couple of months of just calisthenics i'm feelings back to my old self

but do what you like, i don't give two ****s, i'm just telling you(with expert advice that i posted) that calisthenics is better and weight lifting is near enough useless "IN BOXING"

[EzzardFan]

I trained using weights from the age of 19 until the age of 37. Occasionally I threw in some calisthenics but it was predominantly weights. With 18 years of experience I feel that I'm reasonably qualified to discuss weights.

Mostly I used free weights as I felt that machines limit the motion too much and do the job of balancing the weight which is more productive if left to the core muscles.

I'd train weights in a manner to improve my performance at striking. To do this I used pyramid sets kicking off with high rep counts. For example in a flat bench press I'd go:

20 reps at 110lbs
16 reps at 132lbs
12 reps at 154lbs
8 reps at 176lbs
4 reps at 198lbs
2 reps at 220lbs
1 rep at 242lbs

The first 4 sets I'd lift explosively and lower gradually over 4 secs. Once I hit 198lbs it would be a struggle to lift the bar explosively.

I weight trained for an hour on Mon, Wed, and Fri evenings. Mon would be chest and back, Wed would be legs and abs, and Fri would be shoulders and arms. I'd typically train 4 exercises each session, 2 compound at 7 sets each and 2 isolated at 5 sets each. I'd train different a different selection of exercises each week on a monthly rotation. I'd train for 4 weeks then take my catabolic week off to recover.

From that you should gather that I am (on paper) an experienced and competent lifter.

At that time I was mainly training for MMA as opposed to boxing. The problems I had were with recurring injuries mainly to my joints. These problems first surfaced in my early 30s, but became more serious over time. I was having serious tendonitis problems in my elbows (my physio said if I didn't stop then I risked permanent damage), and blew out both my rotator cuffs, and injury that most lifters don't recover from. These type of injuries are not uncommon in weight lifters approaching 40. Yes there are older guys still lifting, but many more have quit due to recurring injury. In fact this is almost accepted as being normal.

I managed to rehabilitate both my elbows and my rotator cuffs using calisthenics. This was a lengthy battle that lasted several months. The calisthenics also kept me in shape. Around this time I switched from MMA focused training to boxing because I find boxing more deeply involving. I cannot directly comment on the effect that switching to calisthenics had on my boxing (as boxing was new to me), but pretty much everything about my fitness improved. My cardio was better, my flexibility was better, I was lighter on my feet, my speed and power were better, I was hitting the focus mitts a lot harder, my stamina was better and most of all I wasn't getting injured any more.

I also lost a lot of mass, but seemed to be stronger, and actually look more defined than before. I think the problem is that weight training can add a lot of unnecessary muscle that's some people may desire from an aesthetic perspective but which has little or no real world application. My osteopath was always telling me that my muscles were poor quality. She's say "too much **** muscle here". Since switching to calisthenics she has nothing but complements for me. I believe that this excess showy muscle can only slow down a boxer, and lugging round an extra 15-25 pounds of muscle just tires you out. It also seems to impede certain movements. For example I now find it much easier to pull my elbows together across my chest. I also find it easier to snap punches out and back, and am better able to intercept punches with my elbows. But most of all I can go a lot more rounds at a higher intensity before I get tired.

Now this may not apply to everyone. It certainly does apply to me, and no doubt there are other people out there who would be better shunning weights in favour of calisthenics. Arguably everyone aged over 40 for starters LOL. What I resent is the arrogant attitude that weights are somehow the default option and that nothing else is capable of getting the same results. Just to **** on that concept please note that it is a generally accepted scientific FACT that the fastest, biggest, and most enduring strength gains are made from isometric training (which involves no weights) and that there are countless papers out there that prove this.

I also personally believe that many of the standard of boxing was better prior to 1990 when weight training started to become more prevalent, resulting in the overblown lumbering heavyweights that are common in the sport today.

[alza1988]

http://www.fitnessandfreebies.com/health/top18.html
http://life.familyeducation.com/weig...ise/48807.html

I often though lifting weights just made you go big etc and tired you out quicker. But the more research i have been doing, how wrong I was.

There are so many benifets to lifting weights.

Is anyone still against boxers lifting them and if so state reason why you are against it.

Have you read these
Strength Training For Fighters
http://www.rosstraining.com/articles...htraining.html
Old School Bodyweight Strength .This is what I perfer tbh
http://www.beastskills.com/

[Phenomkidd]

are we talking about sprinting or boxing? i bet pavlik and froch wouldn't admit they are slow as snails

fight stamina is different? evidence that you probabley feel your gonna die after 3 rounds?

and for the record you don't have to be beefy to have weights cut your stamina, i know skinny(ripped but skinny) ****s that weight lift and will be out of stamina in a mere 10 minutes

I'm making a general comparison sorry if you couldn't understand that, since you were saying lifting makes you slow and bulky. Sorry.

Fight stamina is different because it IS. I can feel the difference running miles and miles vs going the rounds. 3 Rounds for me is decently tiring, take note I do MMA so my exhaustion levels will probably more than you think since its full body.

In case you didn't know you just destroyed you're own argument, because I'm sure you were trying to make a case that the mass gained from lifting makes you slower earlier. If they lift weights and are skinny yet have horrible cardio would it not be safe to assume their cardio routine is nowhere near good enough? You seem to have an agenda against lifting, get over it.

[SplitSecond]

I'm making a general comparison sorry if you couldn't understand that, since you were saying lifting makes you slow and bulky. Sorry.

Fight stamina is different because it IS. I can feel the difference running miles and miles vs going the rounds. 3 Rounds for me is decently tiring, take note I do MMA so my exhaustion levels will probably more than you think since its full body.

In case you didn't know you just destroyed you're own argument, because I'm sure you were trying to make a case that the mass gained from lifting makes you slower earlier. If they lift weights and are skinny yet have horrible cardio would it not be safe to assume their cardio routine is nowhere near good enough? You seem to have an agenda against lifting, get over it.

look at kelly pavlik, he lifts, does he pack alot of mass? is he one of the slowest fighters of all time? how many fighters back in the days did you see that slow?

so no, i didn't destroy my argument, your just not as smart as you'd like, i've got other people with experience that box that are agreeing with me, i have an expert that is agreeing with me, all you have is your opinion, and a closed mind, you cant take that your wrong, and like i said before, i don't give a ****

[Suckmedry]

look at kelly pavlik, he lifts, does he pack alot of mass? is he one of the slowest fighters of all time? how many fighters back in the days did you see that slow?

so no, i didn't destroy my argument, your just not as smart as you'd like, i've got other people with experience that box that are agreeing with me, i have an expert that is agreeing with me, all you have is your opinion, and a closed mind, you cant take that your wrong, and like i said before, i don't give a ****

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