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    What 11 Ketotestosterone and Androgens Actually Do And How I Found Out the Hard Way

    Most people talk about performance as if it begins in the gym Reps splits diet macros All of it sterile None of it explains what happens when your adrenal system and your primal wiring fully unlock

    I found out what that feels like when I got stranded during a loaded wilderness march I had 45 pounds on my back and what should have been a hard but short hike turned into a 60 km movement over 12 hours Swamps waist deep No cell reception Zero light for hours Just silence and insects Somewhere out there I felt something switch
    The Gland Nobody Talks About


    There is a hormone called 11 ketotestosterone or 11KT It is not often discussed because it is not made in the testes like regular testosterone It is made in the adrenal gland which sits above your kidneys and fires under stress pressure exposure in other words real adversity When you are cold isolated moving under pressure and there is no guarantee of safety this is what your body starts dumping

    Along with 11KT you also get
    DHEA early testosterone derivative
    Cortisol in short bursts to keep you alert
    Catecholamines like adrenaline and noradrenaline
    A flushing of myostatin suppression meaning the body stops trying to limit itself

    Your joints do not ache Your skin feels thinner Your breath smooths out And you realize
    I weigh the same maybe less but I am stronger
    The Side Effects


    I finished that march without fanfare My boots were wrecked I had not eaten But what followed was not exhaustion it was tears Not sadness Not weakness It was a neurological discharge from whatever had happened

    I could not stop thinking clearly I spoke less I felt larger even though the scale did not change My testicles literally felt heavier I was alert like an animal I realized this is what most people call being in the zone but deeper Physical hormonal and evolutionary
    Fighters and the Forgotten Gland


    I do not think this is new I think guys like Sam Langford Harry Greb and Rocky Marciano all tapped into this without knowing what to call it

    Langford left home at 12 running from abuse living fight to fight He developed power and slickness no gym could teach
    Greb was like a feral dog with technique fighting multiple times per month often with broken bones going blind
    Marciano isolated himself from the world training like a convict on release obsessed blunt unrelenting

    They all lived under constant physical stress emotional isolation and an unspoken code of inner fire They all triggered this same androgenic switch You cannot replicate it by doing curls You replicate it by living on the edge not by choice but by necessity
    Final Thought


    This is not motivation This is biology You cannot buy 11KT
    You can only earn it Through distance Through silence Through pain

    Some men tap it by accident Some chase it on purpose
    Most never know it exists
    ​

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    Originally posted by them_apples View Post
    What 11 Ketotestosterone and Androgens Actually Do And How I Found Out the Hard Way

    Most people talk about performance as if it begins in the gym Reps splits diet macros All of it sterile None of it explains what happens when your adrenal system and your primal wiring fully unlock

    I found out what that feels like when I got stranded during a loaded wilderness march I had 45 pounds on my back and what should have been a hard but short hike turned into a 60 km movement over 12 hours Swamps waist deep No cell reception Zero light for hours Just silence and insects Somewhere out there I felt something switch
    The Gland Nobody Talks About


    There is a hormone called 11 ketotestosterone or 11KT It is not often discussed because it is not made in the testes like regular testosterone It is made in the adrenal gland which sits above your kidneys and fires under stress pressure exposure in other words real adversity When you are cold isolated moving under pressure and there is no guarantee of safety this is what your body starts dumping

    Along with 11KT you also get
    DHEA early testosterone derivative
    Cortisol in short bursts to keep you alert
    Catecholamines like adrenaline and noradrenaline
    A flushing of myostatin suppression meaning the body stops trying to limit itself

    Your joints do not ache Your skin feels thinner Your breath smooths out And you realize
    I weigh the same maybe less but I am stronger
    The Side Effects


    I finished that march without fanfare My boots were wrecked I had not eaten But what followed was not exhaustion it was tears Not sadness Not weakness It was a neurological discharge from whatever had happened

    I could not stop thinking clearly I spoke less I felt larger even though the scale did not change My testicles literally felt heavier I was alert like an animal I realized this is what most people call being in the zone but deeper Physical hormonal and evolutionary
    Fighters and the Forgotten Gland


    I do not think this is new I think guys like Sam Langford Harry Greb and Rocky Marciano all tapped into this without knowing what to call it

    Langford left home at 12 running from abuse living fight to fight He developed power and slickness no gym could teach
    Greb was like a feral dog with technique fighting multiple times per month often with broken bones going blind
    Marciano isolated himself from the world training like a convict on release obsessed blunt unrelenting

    They all lived under constant physical stress emotional isolation and an unspoken code of inner fire They all triggered this same androgenic switch You cannot replicate it by doing curls You replicate it by living on the edge not by choice but by necessity
    Final Thought


    This is not motivation This is biology You cannot buy 11KT
    You can only earn it Through distance Through silence Through pain

    Some men tap it by accident Some chase it on purpose
    Most never know it exists
    â
    Interesting. I think it plays into the concept on how you’ve heard stories of people exhibiting seemingly super human strength when facing life and death situations sometimes.

    Or the same thing when people are faced with a seemingly impossible task, like climbing a mountain with no gear.

    I think of that story that they made into the movie “Alive.”

    The group of rugby players who’s plane crashed in the Andes mountains.

    They were stranded in the unforgiving elements for months on a remote island. Search parties stopped searching and assumed they were dead. They drank wine, ate chocolate, and their dead companions flesh to stay alive, and melted snow to drink water. Once spring came about, they realized they had a chance to climb the mountains to find safety.

    2 or 3 from the group left on their own.

    No climbing gear. Almost no food. And they flagged down a farmer or something.

    They survived. They shouldn’t have, but they did.
    Last edited by B_Murphington; 07-11-2025, 08:55 AM.

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