Robotic Boxing Trainer - Unique

[atgatt]

Ori, In the first video I have it at a lower speed, not the lowest and not medium. I could stop about 80% of those without boxing at the center bag. At medium speed I could stop about 20%, and at high speed zero percent, again with no boxing at the center bag. I get much more when I add the boxing too.

I was deflecting punches with my arms and hands, the trainer did not believe in doing that so he only tried to slip the punches. I said no way could I move my head as fast as my hands but according to him you shouldn't try doing it that way. So what do you want me to say?

Ok, so you can slip the 1-2 combinations it throws. Why couldn't the trainer and the other person who I was told was a second degree black belt, and he only did one arm? This is where I get confused because they are random enough to where you really don't know what its pattern is. There is just a bit, but it sure throws me off and the few others that tried it. So again, what do you want me to say? If you think you can do it, I'd love to see it and I wish I could get others to try to do the same.

My goal was never to replace equipment/people at gym but just to add another tool to the arsenal that can do what the others don't, and I know that leaves it open for the next group that will take that out of context.

[fademaster]

thats ******... wast of time Sorry....

[sleazyfellow]

I think the RBT would be great for those who dont want real contact. So far its just a jabbing machine, until you can get hooks, uppercuts, body shots in there would it be ready to sell IMO. So keep working on it.

[alb829]

I was just thinking about this RBT thing again and it dawned on me a perfect comparison and why I know it can be sold. It is essentially a Pitching machine. I played 13 years of baseball and can't count the number of times I practiced hitting with a pitching machine. Now there were always people there who could have thrown balls/pitched to me. And the pitching machine can't begin to simulate the throwing motion, trajectory, spin or change the pitch (curve, slider, fast ball) and there is no human error yet it is a fairly common training tool used in Baseball. The pitching machine is designed to enhance 1 facet of the sport, , hitting/swinging, by repetition of movement. That is in essence what atgatt's RBT is. A tool for hand eye coordination and defensive drills. So why can't the RBT be Boxing's pitching machine?

@sleazy......Nice Av....can't believe anyone else has seen Penitentiary II. That's an old movie.

[Spartacus Sully]

So why can't the RBT be Boxing's pitching machine?

Um....it dosnt pitch.....DUH and what does pitching have to do with boxing anyways.....

No but really thats what it is but its more of a blocking machine meant to teach you how to block more quickly by repeatedly forcing you to slip block deflect or parry punches with your arms. Id imagine an experienced boxer with alittle imagination could easily do more then that even. just like an experienced batter can use a pitching machine instead of just hitting the balls but to work on aiming where he hits the balls as well.

Good comparison

I mean if a boxer can look in a mirror and imagine an opponent they should be able to look at this machine like its an opponent quite easily.

and for only 500$ i mean ive already started saving

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

cauah, I do understand where you're coming from. Only God can design a human body to do the marvelous things it does. But these are sincere questions. One boxing trainer who tried it was getting hit a pretty decent amount at the lower speeds (which are about average jab speeds of about 8 to 9 mph) when he boxed against it. He prided himself on slipping, and for good reason because he did it well. After boxing against it, he just wanted to slip as both arms shot forward at random. Most the time he just stayed out of the arms' path or back farther away from the 18 inch punch length. I can't recall when his head was in that area, that he was fast enough to slip the punch. So, my sincere question is, how is it that someone can not learn from that? It is disputable for sure, but I happen to agree that the jab is the most important punch. It opens up so many other punches that are more powerful. So doesn't it make sense to practice against getting hit by jabs by training your reaction times to pick things up quicker to stop them?

Again, those are not sarcastic questions and I am trying to get the feel from people in the know. Thanks.

So you can better understand where I'm coming from. It's a unique device and if refined and worked on, could possibly work in a scenario where people wanted to train without contact.

The point is, that as a boxing trainer myself, I don't see the practical application of the machine as opposed to sparring or even mitts. Those would give you better work, cheaper to make (or buy) and would do MORE than the machine could ever do.

So while I do think that the machine is unique and even a little cool, I think ultimately if you want to market something for the public or for boxers to use, you have to create a product that gives you something that traditional training does not. In this case, this machine falls short in that capacity.

[atgatt]

you have to create a product that gives you something that traditional training does not. In this case, this machine falls short in that capacity.

In action pistol competition we had a golden rule, “DON’T EXPECT TO DO FAST WHAT YOU CAN’T DO SLOW.” That meant if you’re shooting fast and yet getting poor hits, you need to slow down to a pace that you are hitting good hits and working up from there. Going slower makes you focus on every movement and getting them right before moving on, by training your eyes to see more in the same amount of time.

The RBT will allow a person to slow down the speeds of the jabs to focus on movements and then increase the speeds to get better at it.

So, it seems I can’t get an answer to the question I posted to you except for if it’s not a sparring partner, it does not matter if an important specific area can be worked on in a different way. If that is the case, why is a slip bag used? Why does it work so well at getting the reflex down to move? You are all asking me to be fair about how I should accept my inputs from you, and I’ll admit I could be stubborn but nonetheless making changes in perception to see your points of view, but yet I can’t get answers to mine.

So I’ll change the questions. Do you use a slip bag and if so, do you find it helpful like so many other boxers do? If yes, how is the slip bag better than what the RBT can offer when it’s not remotely close? Why is a slip bag even used when a sparring partner is the ultimate?

It is not a case of trying to change your mind and buy the RBT, it is a case of fairness and getting an explanation back to let me see how I am missing a point.

And I do applaud your kind, civil exchange. The trainer that I met a few weeks ago was the same way, very personable. Thanks.

[atgatt]

cauah.., so what you're telling me, the slip bag training video below is more beneficial than the RBT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjm4SM5HM4

[Oriachim]

what he said was pretty clear, the slip bag is cheaper... the slip bag goes in at different angles to.

like someone said above, your machine is also mainly a jabbing machine... into you can get hooks and stuff in, at different combinations to then thats all it will be. in a real fight, someone may throw a very fast jab, then throw a slow jab, then a fast double jab, right hand or maybe a double jab right hook etc.. bla bla im talking **** I know, but your machine should inhibit randomness like that.

in all honestly, for people who wanna do a bit of training back home, your machine may be good but in a gym it will never replace anything.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

cauah.., so what you're telling me, the slip bag training video below is more beneficial than the RBT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjm4SM5HM4

what he said was pretty clear, the slip bag is cheaper... the slip bag goes in at different angles to.

like someone said above, your machine is also mainly a jabbing machine... into you can get hooks and stuff in, at different combinations to then thats all it will be. in a real fight, someone may throw a very fast jab, then throw a slow jab, then a fast double jab, right hand or maybe a double jab right hook etc.. bla bla im talking **** I know, but your machine should inhibit randomness like that.

in all honestly, for people who wanna do a bit of training back home, your machine may be good but in a gym it will never replace anything.

atgatt, you seem to have answered your own question. I never said the machine could not be effective, I just said that how can the machine be more effective as traditional training? At a cheaper cost and more practical?

It seems buying or building a machine like that would cost lots of money, time and it would be something that would require a lot of space.

Look, I'm not trying to discourage you, you just asked for an honest opinion. As a trainer I'm always open to new techniques and equipment that might help but if you can't give me a reason as to why this bulky, costly machine is better than my mitts, sparring or Maize bag, then why would I want to buy it?

That's the question that you need to be asking yourself if you plan to market something like this. You have to find a demand for it before you can produce it and then supply it.