Robotic Boxing Trainer - Unique

[atgatt]

rsk, I'll try to make this easy on you. Please remember I am the one that came up with the "******ed" invention. Please remember my question to you that you don't want to answer, which of my comparisons are not true?

Please put up or shut up. I'll shut up if you hit me with logical facts that prove the RBT does not do what I say it does. Fair enough?

So let's say you are my sparring partner. I want you to throw consistent 9 mph jabs at me. Can you do that? Now throw 10 mph, then 11, etc.

Let's say you are foolish enough to say you can. Won't your jab traveling at that speed do a lot more damage than the much lighter arm of the RBT going at the same speed?

You're a human sparring partner. According to you there is absolutely no advantage to you. No machine can do what you do and yet you can't do the above.

You remind me of a black belt that tried it the other night. He only wanted one arm turned on. The arm was at a lower speed. He still was getting hit. When I asked what he thought about it, he said it's ok for a beginner. So he gets hit with only one arm going at a lower speed but "it's ok for a beginner". Can you spell EGO.

You don't know how much I wished you lived out here so I could film you boxing against the RBT as you get smacked by it. Of course you would be too proud to say you have something to learn from it because it is just a ******ed invention and not a real sparring partner.

[TheTruthIs]

If it's a separate tool from a sparring partner than why compare the two and make the robot out to be more beneficial than a partner? That's what he did on the website.

I have to agree here. I just do not like that one aspect of the marketing attempt. Think it needs to be done differently. Things like, 'it doesn't smell bad" or "no guilt"...I mean, c'mon. These are parts of boxing you need to get past. Guys will always be smelly, and emotions are a huge part of boxing etc. You need to define its use differently. And not against something so readily available and free, as a live sparring partner.

Not knowing what you're asking for it, if it is fairly expensive to make, therefore expensive to buy one must understand that most boxing gyms run on a fairly tight budget. We have a gym that is 6000 sq. ft, and packed to the rafters with boxercise people (who pay most of our bills) and often just making it thru, as our goals are to keep costs down to make it accessible for everyone from every socio-economic background. 30-35$ per mo and we'll waive fees if it is a kid who really can't even afford that.

So bearing that in mind, you need to define better, imo, where the value is. As an aid, as a skill builder, etc. etc. and really hammer those things home. More then a comparison to a sparring partner, which I assure you will get laughed off by most gyms.

I'm not trying to be negative here, only thinking critically to help. For I do like the idea, and would like to have one. The one I'd like to have most prob. doesn't exist yet, as you've mentioned the cost of adding more mobility, and obv. this would increase cost of purchase. You should be listening to these negatives imo, instead of wondering why people aren't 'getting it'. But I can understand frustration

All in all, getting the cost as low as possible, and/or a different marketing approach I think would be a good start.

[rskumm21]

rsk, I'll try to make this easy on you. Please remember I am the one that came up with the "******ed" invention. Please remember my question to you that you don't want to answer, which of my comparisons are not true?

Please put up or shut up. I'll shut up if you hit me with logical facts that prove the RBT does not do what I say it does. Fair enough?

So let's say you are my sparring partner. I want you to throw consistent 9 mph jabs at me. Can you do that? Now throw 10 mph, then 11, etc.

Let's say you are foolish enough to say you can. Won't your jab traveling at that speed do a lot more damage than the much lighter arm of the RBT going at the same speed?

You're a human sparring partner. According to you there is absolutely no advantage to you. No machine can do what you do and yet you can't do the above.

You remind me of a black belt that tried it the other night. He only wanted one arm turned on. The arm was at a lower speed. He still was getting hit. When I asked what he thought about it, he said it's ok for a beginner. So he gets hit with only one arm going at a lower speed but "it's ok for a beginner". Can you spell EGO.

You don't know how much I wished you lived out here so I could film you boxing against the RBT as you get smacked by it. Of course you would be too proud to say you have something to learn from it because it is just a ******ed invention and not a real sparring partner.

I never said any of your points in your comparison were or were'nt true. I don't know where you got that from so stop putting words in my mouth. My basic point is that you can't market it as being comparable to a sparring partner. It may have it's advantages; I don't know, it hasn't been proven to me. But you can not compare it to an actual partner. It's apples and oranges. And as far as you being so sure that I'd be too proud to admit that I learned something from your machine, is pure speculation. Do you know me? Have we met? Telling me to shut up. You're assuming that the machine is going to smack me around? Now you're showing your insecurity and taking my opinion personal. I wish I did live out there; but if I did I would rather go up against you instead of your machine... Though I'd have more enjoyment smacking you around. I'd make you **** your depends grampa.

[MonkeyEarMuffs]

Wow, this entire thread got out of control.

My 2 cents, I think it is an awesome idea plagued by bad marketing. Sometimes it is hard to take a step back and look at something you have done objectively, but this may be the time to do just that. It is obvious that the utility and effectiveness is there, it is a matter of narrowing your scope and being realistic.

It is a gym apporatus that assists users with slipping drills. It has variable speeds and multiple strike patterns that mimic various boxing combinations that use linear paths, IE Jabs and Crosses. It is safe, and durable.

If that is what you said, I would have crapped myself. As it is, very interesting and somewhat amazing technical boxing equipment. Streamline, focus and try again. This is quite cool and I would love to play around with it as I am sure it would catch me. I can totally see the usefulness of the machine, now it is a matter of making it a realistic option financially.

Also, RSK quit being a jerk. Internet tough guys suck.

[rskumm21]

Wow, this entire thread got out of control.

My 2 cents, I think it is an awesome idea plagued by bad marketing. Sometimes it is hard to take a step back and look at something you have done objectively, but this may be the time to do just that. It is obvious that the utility and effectiveness is there, it is a matter of narrowing your scope and being realistic.

It is a gym apporatus that assists users with slipping drills. It has variable speeds and multiple strike patterns that mimic various boxing combinations that use linear paths, IE Jabs and Crosses. It is safe, and durable.

If that is what you said, I would have crapped myself. As it is, very interesting and somewhat amazing technical boxing equipment. Streamline, focus and try again. This is quite cool and I would love to play around with it as I am sure it would catch me. I can totally see the usefulness of the machine, now it is a matter of making it a realistic option financially.

Also, RSK quit being a jerk. Internet tough guys suck.

Who are you his bodyguard? If you read the posts, the guy started talking crap to me first telling me to shut up and that his robot would smack me around. Real nice. By the way, Good way of proving your "internet tough guy" point by calling me names that you wouldn't call me to my face.

[MonkeyEarMuffs]

It doesn't matter what he called you, there is no need for you to be calling people out over the internet. It is lame as hell so cut it out. I'm not defending anyone, I am asking for intelligent discussion, not bull-headed d*ck measuring. If you can't get over what he said to you and actually add something to the conversation, you are just trolling.

And your whole, "you wouldn't say it to my face" bologna, get over yourself. Again, cut it with the internet toughguy BS.

[atgatt]

rsk, I started talking crap to you? You said my invention was ******ed. I compare it to a sparring partner and you come around and say I think it is better than a sparring partner. I say the RBT will get punches into you. You say you want to come at me. You can do that. Matter of fact anyone can do that. I believe there are laws against that. Never did I threaten you. You want to threaten me, you do what you do. But I will say this, if you were able to box at the bag in between the RBT arms and not get hit with it at high speed, I'll admit, you are one bad mutha. Because at that speed you have 800 ms to react. I have yet to stop it at that speed once. Never got lucky. And that's just one arm I am trying to block. Also, maybe you are fast enough. Like you said, I don't know you. But you don't know me either, so watch out who you threaten.

Equal.., At first I thought about selling it. After thought seeing how expensive product liability insurance is and how much cheaper it could be made by a company that bought in higher volume, I decided to try to license it.

Ylem, How much it will cost fits with the above statement. The electronics alone cost a decent amount but the electronics could be made cheaper by just having a PC board do the timing programs rather than a power supply and programmed logic controller. The rest is using material that has to be strong and yet light, but again, in high volume, that cost could be reduced. So, if a company took it on, my guess is they could maybe sell it for around $400 to $500. Again, that is just a guess.

TheTruthIs, I guess people didn't see the humor about "smelly" and such. No, I am not in marketing or sales. Just trying to do the best with what I have. I do realize the points are from my point of view. That's why I'd like to see others box against it. Have them see the different speeds. My jab is radar checked at 10 mph. That is a strict jab without ****ing it first. Granted, I'm up there in the years too. The best I can find on the average jab of college males is 9 mph. The RBT will go up to 13 mph, but the 7 to 9 mph jabs are tough as is to stop, more so when boxing too at the bag in between the arms. Absolutely no telegraph. I will see what I can do to make the site more serious and list how it can be beneficial. I thought I was doing that but evidently comparing to a sparring partner seems to raise a lot of blood pressure. I don't see why in the way I did it.

MonkeyEarMuffs, My goal was to improve the site and videos before seriously approaching companies that would handle such a product. I did recently let a few companies know about it still, and a bit of a bite with one but I may have to take a different approach. Agreed it is still in a prototype stage and could be made to look much better. I made a prototype that had the arms move up and down too, but that jacks up the price a few hundred dollars and I didn't take that path any further.

Someone asked why don't I put gloves on the end. It is because at this stage I can't. It was a struggle to keep the weight low on the arms as is. Unneeded weight gives the punch more power when traveling at the same speed. Also, weight especially at the end of the arms adds inch pounds. That is really magnified with the arms punch out 18 inches. Too much weight makes the arms sag as it fully extends. If I make the shoulder stronger to compensate, then too much force is needed in deflecting the arm sideways.

There is an advantage not having a glove though. If you can stop that fist coming through, you can stop a large glove. Also, if a person wanted to train MMA style or just bare fist style, the smaller fist is more realistic. Still, I agree about having the option of a glove would be great. Maybe a company may see a way to do that, but it sure complicates things.

I'll keep on trying.

[rskumm21]

It doesn't matter what he called you, there is no need for you to be calling people out over the internet. It is lame as hell so cut it out. I'm not defending anyone, I am asking for intelligent discussion, not bull-headed d*ck measuring. If you can't get over what he said to you and actually add something to the conversation, you are just trolling.

And your whole, "you wouldn't say it to my face" bologna, get over yourself. Again, cut it with the internet toughguy BS.

Yeah, but your defending a grown man. Why are you getting on my case and not his?You should heed your own advice since you started talking **** when I wasn't even going back an forth with you. Right now your not adding anything either, just ****-riding, so mind your own business and get lost.

[rskumm21]

rsk, I started talking crap to you? You said my invention was ******ed. I compare it to a sparring partner and you come around and say I think it is better than a sparring partner. I say the RBT will get punches into you. You say you want to come at me. You can do that. Matter of fact anyone can do that. I believe there are laws against that. Never did I threaten you. You want to threaten me, you do what you do. But I will say this, if you were able to box at the bag in between the RBT arms and not get hit with it at high speed, I'll admit, you are one bad mutha. Because at that speed you have 800 ms to react. I have yet to stop it at that speed once. Never got lucky. And that's just one arm I am trying to block. Also, maybe you are fast enough. Like you said, I don't know you. But you don't know me either, so watch out who you threaten.

Equal.., At first I thought about selling it. After thought seeing how expensive product liability insurance is and how much cheaper it could be made by a company that bought in higher volume, I decided to try to license it.

Ylem, How much it will cost fits with the above statement. The electronics alone cost a decent amount but the electronics could be made cheaper by just having a PC board do the timing programs rather than a power supply and programmed logic controller. The rest is using material that has to be strong and yet light, but again, in high volume, that cost could be reduced. So, if a company took it on, my guess is they could maybe sell it for around $400 to $500. Again, that is just a guess.

TheTruthIs, I guess people didn't see the humor about "smelly" and such. No, I am not in marketing or sales. Just trying to do the best with what I have. I do realize the points are from my point of view. That's why I'd like to see others box against it. Have them see the different speeds. My jab is radar checked at 10 mph. That is a strict jab without ****ing it first. Granted, I'm up there in the years too. The best I can find on the average jab of college males is 9 mph. The RBT will go up to 13 mph, but the 7 to 9 mph jabs are tough as is to stop, more so when boxing too at the bag in between the arms. Absolutely no telegraph. I will see what I can do to make the site more serious and list how it can be beneficial. I thought I was doing that but evidently comparing to a sparring partner seems to raise a lot of blood pressure. I don't see why in the way I did it.

MonkeyEarMuffs, My goal was to improve the site and videos before seriously approaching companies that would handle such a product. I did recently let a few companies know about it still, and a bit of a bite with one but I may have to take a different approach. Agreed it is still in a prototype stage and could be made to look much better. I made a prototype that had the arms move up and down too, but that jacks up the price a few hundred dollars and I didn't take that path any further.

Someone asked why don't I put gloves on the end. It is because at this stage I can't. It was a struggle to keep the weight low on the arms as is. Unneeded weight gives the punch more power when traveling at the same speed. Also, weight especially at the end of the arms adds inch pounds. That is really magnified with the arms punch out 18 inches. Too much weight makes the arms sag as it fully extends. If I make the shoulder stronger to compensate, then too much force is needed in deflecting the arm sideways.

There is an advantage not having a glove though. If you can stop that fist coming through, you can stop a large glove. Also, if a person wanted to train MMA style or just bare fist style, the smaller fist is more realistic. Still, I agree about having the option of a glove would be great. Maybe a company may see a way to do that, but it sure complicates things.

I'll keep on trying.

Funny thing is I wasn't even coming at you when I called the machine ******ed. I was commenting toward the original theadstarter. It's funny how the inventor of the machine happened to be on here and join the conversation after the fact. Though I have no problem telling you that the machine is ******ed, or any other alt's you have on here as well. I have no problem telling you I would have more fun going against you rather than your machine, and that I'd have more fun kicking your ass, just like you apparently have no problem expressing your opinions. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Watch who I threaten? I guess that's supposed to scare me? Let me guess, you might report me to the "authorities". Oh, no! I'm shaking in my boots. Gimmie a break. I have an idea: Modify the RBT into a defibrillator, that way the rest of the nursing home might actually use it . Then you can be a lifesaver as well as a douche-bag!

[britwolf]

thats pretty neat!