Popular Foods With More Protein Than Beef

[Earl-Hickey]

Isn't 1gm per lb of lean mass the recommended protein intake for athletes or people who want to be in peak condition.

That's a lot of lentils to get through brah

[Marchegiano]

As we all know plants are actually superior so says basement medical.

And that's why you see so, so, so many hindu bodybuilders and strongmen. Watch out Eddie and Thor, the vegans are coming

In all seriousness I reckon it depends on what you're looking to do. One of the first vegans I know of in history is Tom Cribb. To my knowledge veganism wasn't a thing yet but his diet was water and salad so...pretty vegan. No milk, damn sure no ale, no meat, no egg, water and salads. They made fun of him until he started fighting, his cardio was legend and it alone is responsible for boxers taking diets seriously. Serious enough to pay attention to cause and effect.

So, what I mean to say is if you wanna be Cribb eat them lentils. If you want to Hall eat steaks and shiz.

[Blond Beast]

As we all know plants are actually superior so says basement medical.

And that's why you see so, so, so many hindu bodybuilders and strongmen. Watch out Eddie and Thor, the vegans are coming

In all seriousness I reckon it depends on what you're looking to do. One of the first vegans I know of in history is Tom Cribb. To my knowledge veganism wasn't a thing yet but his diet was water and salad so...pretty vegan. No milk, damn sure no ale, no meat, no egg, water and salads. They made fun of him until he started fighting, his cardio was legend and it alone is responsible for boxers taking diets seriously. Serious enough to pay attention to cause and effect.

So, what I mean to say is if you wanna be Cribb eat them lentils. If you want to Hall eat steaks and shiz.

What sources claim Tom Cribb was vegan? I just never read that. Black Ajax by George MacDonald Fraser is a great novel. His work is usually well researched and I never heard that he was Vegan. He drank hard in retirement. He worked on the docks and built up quite a physique it’s said. 5’10” and around 200lbs, whose to know for sure. I know he came in a bit soft for the first Molineaux fight, but for the second he had the first “training camp” as we know them today apparently. Came in tighter and in shape. Would run while his trainer threw pebbles at him to keep up the pace. It’s said he had developed “horns” over his knuckles and could punch the bark off trees. I saw that vegan HW last 12rnds with Lennox. I have nothing against it. It’s said Cribb was the first guy to popularize boxing while backing up. Counter punching I guess. All the old timey fighters are worth looking up. Bill Richmond, Jim Belcher etc. I had a great book that had an article on all the known fighters since things were recorded. I read it a dozen times. Getting people in the ring was just as hard back then.

[OctoberRed]

Do vegans price their food in fruit and vegetables?

Those substitute meals are pretty expensive. Those vegan versions of burgers, etc.

[Marchegiano]

What sources claim Tom Cribb was vegan? I just never read that. Black Ajax by George MacDonald Fraser is a great novel. His work is usually well researched and I never heard that he was Vegan. He drank hard in retirement. He worked on the docks and built up quite a physique it’s said. 5’10” and around 200lbs, whose to know for sure. I know he came in a bit soft for the first Molineaux fight, but for the second he had the first “training camp” as we know them today apparently. Came in tighter and in shape. Would run while his trainer threw pebbles at him to keep up the pace. It’s said he had developed “horns” over his knuckles and could punch the bark off trees. I saw that vegan HW last 12rnds with Lennox. I have nothing against it. It’s said Cribb was the first guy to popularize boxing while backing up. Counter punching I guess. All the old timey fighters are worth looking up. Bill Richmond, Jim Belcher etc. I had a great book that had an article on all the known fighters since things were recorded. I read it a dozen times. Getting people in the ring was just as hard back then.

I'll have a go at a source but you have me faaar less confident I'm talking about the same guy I think I'm talking about. Cribb is pretty dang famous to mix him up though. I'd say you brought me from lik 99% sur down all the way to 60% sure I've ****ed up

Somewhat confident the diet came from captain barclay though, and, I did write it a bit ****ed in that I never meant to imply Tom made a lifestyle change. I meant his boxing diet was so basic you could call it vegan. Maybe treaties of self defense? I should of expanded more on veganism not really being a thing back then.

Anyway, it'll take a minute because I'll have to go through, you know, boxiania, fistiana, and pugilistica if it's not in treaties, but I think it is.

Daniel Mendoza is the first counter puncher, he's got Cribb, Richmond, Beltcher, and Pearce beat by a full generation. Source on that would be like anything covering Mendoza at all, he centered selling his fights around it and everything. 1780s-1790s.

[Marchegiano]

What sources claim Tom Cribb was vegan? I just never read that. Black Ajax by George MacDonald Fraser is a great novel. His work is usually well researched and I never heard that he was Vegan. He drank hard in retirement. He worked on the docks and built up quite a physique it’s said. 5’10” and around 200lbs, whose to know for sure. I know he came in a bit soft for the first Molineaux fight, but for the second he had the first “training camp” as we know them today apparently. Came in tighter and in shape. Would run while his trainer threw pebbles at him to keep up the pace. It’s said he had developed “horns” over his knuckles and could punch the bark off trees. I saw that vegan HW last 12rnds with Lennox. I have nothing against it. It’s said Cribb was the first guy to popularize boxing while backing up. Counter punching I guess. All the old timey fighters are worth looking up. Bill Richmond, Jim Belcher etc. I had a great book that had an article on all the known fighters since things were recorded. I read it a dozen times. Getting people in the ring was just as hard back then.

I found a snippet rather quickly actually and yes, I was wrong. All I can say is I must have mistaken lines as suggestions for what should be done not what was being done and if a man is suggesting milk and eggs then Cribb must not have been eating them.

"I very much doubt it," replied the Major, shaking that member. "Thirteen stone six “Why,that's near a stone under his weight when he met Molineaux last trip. -Barclay, my good friend, I've a notion he'll be wanting that stone tomorrow. .Most likely you've taken all the poor. fellow's strength away with your "milk and eggs and forty mile walks and sweatings. What of it, Tom? I'll go bail now you're limp as a cat under it all. Plain, easy living, rare beef and good porter - there's the training for any boxer who ever stepped."

http://boxingbiographies.co.uk/html/tom_cribb-bb.HTM

I'm very confident Cribb was the guy who got boxers to take their diet seriously, and, until I find my original tale I'm gonna reserve some skepticism over the diet itself. Because whatever book I read gave Cribb a harder time over his weight. I distinctly remember there being a big deal brought up over alcohol and the idea getting drunk makes you stronger....because it's funny... and until I find that story I'm going to look for it. It's a good one and even if I'm as dead wrong as the first bit I've found suggests I'm still very, very, very confident whichever book has that story in it covers Cribb's actual diet. This is enough to disprove veganism though, my bad.

[OctoberRed]

http://boxingbiographies.co.uk/html/tom_cribb-bb.HTM

I'm very confident Cribb was the guy who got boxers to take their diet seriously, and, until I find my original tale I'm gonna reserve some skepticism over the diet itself. Because whatever book I read gave Cribb a harder time over his weight. I distinctly remember there being a big deal brought up over alcohol and the idea getting drunk makes you stronger....because it's funny... and until I find that story I'm going to look for it. It's a good one and even if I'm as dead wrong as the first bit I've found suggests I'm still very, very, very confident whichever book has that story in it covers Cribb's actual diet. This is enough to disprove veganism though, my bad.

I think I read that about Cribb as well.

[ShoulderRoll]

As we all know plants are actually superior so says basement medical.

And that's why you see so, so, so many hindu bodybuilders and strongmen. Watch out Eddie and Thor, the vegans are coming

In all seriousness I reckon it depends on what you're looking to do. One of the first vegans I know of in history is Tom Cribb. To my knowledge veganism wasn't a thing yet but his diet was water and salad so...pretty vegan. No milk, damn sure no ale, no meat, no egg, water and salads. They made fun of him until he started fighting, his cardio was legend and it alone is responsible for boxers taking diets seriously. Serious enough to pay attention to cause and effect.

So, what I mean to say is if you wanna be Cribb eat them lentils. If you want to Hall eat steaks and shiz.

There are, and have been, a lot of strong and well built Hindu wrestlers.

Their training regimens were even adopted by European catch-as-catch-can wrestlers such as Karl Gotch and passed on to the Japanese, from where they influenced the roots of modern MMA.

Bodybuilding and strongmen competitions are niche activities that are in no way the be all and end all when it comes to strength and muscle.

[Marchegiano]

There are, and have been, a lot of strong and well built Hindu wrestlers.

Their training regimens were even adopted by European catch-as-catch-can wrestlers such as Karl Gotch and passed on to the Japanese, from where they influenced the roots of modern MMA.

Bodybuilding and strongmen competitions are niche activities that are in no way the be all and end all when it comes to strength and muscle.

I was making a joke but if you want to explore it that's cool by me too. Just feel I should say I'm playing a part from here out and my actual opinion is I'm aware I am ignorant, like the classic usage, as in I know I don't know.

That said, behind everything is inspiration and the inspiration behind that joke comes from the Hindu bodybuilder on the major circuit. TBH, I have no interest in bodybuilding. I do like strongman and when Shaw was on his streak while Phil was on his there was a lot of crossover. During that crossover the Hindu explained he knows he's held back by his religion then explained the difference between his diet and Shaws and Phils and how Shaw's is more for power where as Phil's is for building and his is as close as he can get to a normal diet for his profession without breaking rules. TBH, that's how I learned hindus are vegetarians. I knew they didn't eat cow but I thought they ate meat. So my takeaway was hindus don't eat meat and that makes it more difficult for them to participate. which inspired that joke. I don't even know the dude's name. All I can tell you is Brian Shaw's name actually. I forgot Phil's full name but he's the Phil who just owned bodybuilding like 5 years ago, so he'd be easy to figure out, but the hindu guy I really don't know **** about except he taught me hindus don't eat meat and used it as an excuse for not doing great.

Hindu, not to be confused with Indian.

That said, I think your examples of Hindu displays of strength are a bit **** tbh. In boxing loads of folks were inspired by men who never achieved what they had. LaStarza was the first to rope-a-dope, and Walcott was first to shuffle, but that does not make them or even the combination of them as fine a champion as Ali. Gotch is a name I know. Gable, I know a few rasslers, none of them are hindus. If all they ever did was inspire then they're great displayed of strength or gains of any kind are second rate.

[ShoulderRoll]

I was making a joke but if you want to explore it that's cool by me too. Just feel I should say I'm playing a part from here out and my actual opinion is I'm aware I am ignorant, like the classic usage, as in I know I don't know.

That said, behind everything is inspiration and the inspiration behind that joke comes from the Hindu bodybuilder on the major circuit. TBH, I have no interest in bodybuilding. I do like strongman and when Shaw was on his streak while Phil was on his there was a lot of crossover. During that crossover the Hindu explained he knows he's held back by his religion then explained the difference between his diet and Shaws and Phils and how Shaw's is more for power where as Phil's is for building and his is as close as he can get to a normal diet for his profession without breaking rules. TBH, that's how I learned hindus are vegetarians. I knew they didn't eat cow but I thought they ate meat. So my takeaway was hindus don't eat meat and that makes it more difficult for them to participate. which inspired that joke. I don't even know the dude's name. All I can tell you is Brian Shaw's name actually. I forgot Phil's full name but he's the Phil who just owned bodybuilding like 5 years ago, so he'd be easy to figure out, but the hindu guy I really don't know **** about except he taught me hindus don't eat meat and used it as an excuse for not doing great.

Hindu, not to be confused with Indian.

That said, I think your examples of Hindu displays of strength are a bit **** tbh. In boxing loads of folks were inspired by men who never achieved what they had. LaStarza was the first to rope-a-dope, and Walcott was first to shuffle, but that does not make them or even the combination of them as fine a champion as Ali. Gotch is a name I know. Gable, I know a few rasslers, none of them are hindus. If all they ever did was inspire then they're great displayed of strength or gains of any kind are second rate.

Gotch had a lot of respect for the centuries-old tradition of Hindu wrestlers. Besides doing "Hindu squats" and "Hindu pushups" he also had the Japanese he trained swing heavy clubs in the Indian manner.

You see this spill over into pro wrestling too. Ric Flair talks about all the squats that Billy Robinson would have new recruits do. Robinson trained in catch-as-catch-can wrestling in Wigan, England. Same as Karl Gotch.

Seems pretty obvious that this vegan/vegetarian culture must have known something about building useful muscle and strength.