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  • #21
    Originally posted by War Room View Post


    I can't say I've looked at the calorie counters on top machines, but presumably you burn way more calories on an elliptical per minute.




    You're using a biking site to make a point about biking vs walking, do you think that's reasonable? Of course a biking site is going to say biking is better than x. Terrible research methodology. When you hit junior year of any reputable university you have to take a class on research methodology, like a jr year writing or etc. Obviously you've only got a hs diploma or community college at best. Independant sources produce better research credability. Like, you going to trust statistics on lung cancer from a cigarette company? No, you go to an independant fcuking source. Jesus Christ save us!

    From the same livestrong link, but this doesn't fit your agenda?



    Key words seem to be ignored: flat ground, depending on speed. Do you have a TBI pr something, born with neological deficits, or simply less brain matter than a normal human if similar size?

    Walking is a slower intensity form of running. INTENSITY, get it? Not all calorie counters spit out the same numbers, has that thought ever crossed your mind? High end machines produce high end data results.

    It's like scales. Buy a 50 dollar scale, step on it 5x, get 5 different results. Step on a $1000 scale, step on it 5x and get the same EXACT result 5x. It's a fact, I have a 200+ dollar scale, user testimonial. Tried the cheaper ones, got different results. Researched why, I LEARNED something.

    I've walked the walk and would burn 800+ calories an hour with minimal incline and good speeds. I've tried biking machines to switch it up and got readouts of 300+ an hour for almost exact intensity. If I up the intensity on the bike, I would naturally have to up the intensity on the treadmill. Intensity, intensity, intensity, get it kid?

    My time isn't free chimp. Next idiot response gets you on the ignore list, I don't have time for such low level discussions. Do the work on the proper quality products or just shut the fcuk up. Websites don't mean shet. I could make a website and say whatever the fcuk I want to say based on whatever agenda I have.

    The internet says a lot of shet, not everything is on the internet. Boxing is a great example. My boxing knowledge passed on from old masters is nowhere found on the internet. Does that make it not true?
    Elliptical machine kills me. I can do a running machine for a while, but elliptical wears me out.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by markusmod View Post

      Elliptical machine kills me. I can do a running machine for a while, but elliptical wears me out.
      Me too, you sweat so much. Elliptical is better for you than running joint wise. Running should really only be used if you're into being a competitive athlete. Now that I'm older, I've realized the toll running puts on your body, you don't think about it when you're young. Ended up tearing my meniscus doing something non athletic. Not the end of the world and I'm totally ok, but you think about how you got there and running thousands of miles was one of them.

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      • #23
        I usually enjoy these sorts of discussions. What I don't enjoy is engaging in conversation with persons who are so insecure that belligerence takes precedence over the simple, and usually pleasant, give and take of fact and opinion. I reiterate, biking is king when it comes to burning calories. If you have done a lot of biking you likely already know this intuitively.



        https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-...ine-activities


        Published: March, 2021

        The table below lists the calories burned by doing dozens of activities listed by category (such as gym activities, training and sports activities, home repair etc.) for 30 minutes. Activities and exercises include walking (casual, race, and everything in between), swimming, jogging, yoga, and many more.


        Calories Burned in 30-minute activities

        Gym Activities....................................... 125-pound person 155-pound person 185-pound person
        Weight Lifting: general 90 108 126
        Aerobics: water 120 144 168
        Stretching, Hatha Yoga 120 144 168
        Calisthenics: moderate 135 162 189
        Aerobics: low impact 165 198 231
        Stair Step Machine: general 180 216 252
        Weight Lifting: vigorous 180 216 252
        Aerobics, Step: low impact 210 252 294
        Aerobics: high impact 210 252 294
        Bicycling, Stationary: moderate 210 252 294
        Rowing, Stationary: moderate 210 252 294
        Calisthenics: vigorous 240 306 336
        Rowing, Stationary: vigorous 255 369 440
        Elliptical Trainer: general 270 324 378
        Ski Machine: general 285 342 399
        Aerobics, Step: high impact 300 360 420
        Bicycling, Stationary: vigorous 315 378 441
        ///
        ///
        Training and Sports Activities
        Horseback Riding: general 57-........... .............. 70-........................ 84
        Tai Chi 120 144 168
        Volleyball: competitive, gymnasium play 226 281 335
        Walking: 3.5 mph (17 min/mi) 107 133 159
        Badminton: general 114 141 168
        Walking: 4 mph (15 min/mi) 135 175 189
        Kayaking 150 180 210
        Skateboarding 150 180 210
        Softball: general play 141 180 210
        Whitewater: rafting, kayaking 150 180 210
        Dancing: disco, ballroom, square 165 198 231
        Golf: carrying clubs 165 198 231
        Dancing: Fast, ballet, twist 180 216 252
        Hiking: cross-country 170 216 252
        Skiing: downhill 180 216 252
        Swimming: general 180 216 252
        Walk/Jog: jog <10 min. 180 216 252
        Water Skiing 180 216 252
        Wrestling 180 216 252
        Basketball: wheelchair 195 234 273
        Ice Skating: general 210 252 294
        Racquetball: casual, general 210 252 293
        Rollerblading/skating (Casual) 311 386 461
        Rollerblading/skating (Fast) 340 421 503
        Scuba or skin diving 210 252 294
        Sledding, luge, toboggan 199 247 294
        Soccer: general 210 252 294
        Tennis: general 210 252 294
        Basketball: playing a game 240 288 336
        Bicycling: 12-13.9 mph 240 288 336
        Football: touch, flag, general 240 288 336
        Hockey: field & ice 240 288 336
        Rock Climbing: rappelling 227 282 336
        Running: 5 mph (12 min/mile) 240 288 336
        Skiing: cross-country 198 246 293
        Snow Shoeing 240 288 336
        Volleyball: beach 240 288 336
        Bicycling: BMX or mountain 255 306 357
        Boxing: sparring 270 324 378
        Football: competitive 270 324 378
        Running: cross-country 255 316 377
        Bicycling: 14-15.9 mph 300 360 420
        Martial Arts: judo, karate, kickbox 300 360 420
        Racquetball: competitive 300 360 420
        Rope Jumping (Fast) 340 421 503
        Rope Jumping (Slow) 226 281 335
        Running: 6 mph (10 min/mile) 495 360 420
        Swimming: laps, vigorous 300 360 420
        Water Polo 300 360 420
        Rock Climbing: ascending 226 281 335
        Bicycling: 16-19 mph 360 432 504
        Handball: general 360 432 504
        Running: 7.5 mph (8 min/mile) 375 450 525
        Bicycling: > 20 mph 495 594 693
        Running: 10 mph (6 min/mile) 453 562 671

        The chart above doesn't take into account the calories burned after the activity has ceased, caloric afterburn. Another plus for intense biking and also a big plus for weight training.

        https://www.genesishealthclubs.com/b...afterburn.html

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        • #24
          Originally posted by 4truth View Post
          I usually enjoy these sorts of discussions. What I don't enjoy is engaging in conversation with persons who are so insecure that belligerence takes precedence over the simple, and usually pleasant, give and take of fact and opinion. I reiterate, biking is king when it comes to burning calories. If you have done a lot of biking you likely already know this intuitively.
          You're really an idiot. The math here is simple, if you were'n't an idiot, I wouldn't be aggressive. You keep making the same ****** idiot mistakes and trying to push your garbage with ZERO LIFE EXPERIENCE on me. Next thing you're going to do is tell me how to throw a left hook with a source from harvard.edu.

          You thought you were coming with a reputable link that says Harvard, but you didn't think to look at the sources. Just because harvard.edu publishes something, doesn't mean it's beyond scrutiny, look at the SOURCES. Jesus Christ save us all.
          I just finished telling you that calorie counters online have a high margin of error. Just said it and there you go with a Harvard link like you the man lmao.

          In case you didn't know lol, you don't go to fcuking Harvard to learn about Kinesiology. You go to Harvard for medicine like internal medicine especially being a surgeon, chemistry, economics, physics, mathmatics, polysci, psychology business, etc not fcuking Kinesiology.

          You have zero reading comprehension and my time will not be wasted. You're on ignore now.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by War Room View Post

            You're really an idiot. The math here is simple, if you were'n't an idiot, I wouldn't be aggressive. You keep making the same ****** idiot mistakes and trying to push your garbage with ZERO LIFE EXPERIENCE on me. Next thing you're going to do is tell me how to throw a left hook with a source from harvard.edu.

            You thought you were coming with a reputable link that says Harvard, but you didn't think to look at the sources. Just because harvard.edu publishes something, doesn't mean it's beyond scrutiny, look at the SOURCES. Jesus Christ save us all.
            I just finished telling you that calorie counters online have a high margin of error. Just said it and there you go with a Harvard link like you the man lmao.

            In case you didn't know lol, you don't go to fcuking Harvard to learn about Kinesiology. You go to Harvard for medicine like internal medicine especially being a surgeon, chemistry, economics, physics, mathmatics, polysci, psychology business, etc not fcuking Kinesiology.

            You have zero reading comprehension and my time will not be wasted. You're on ignore now.


            There is no source anywhere that agrees with you, none.

            Don't let that stop you from pontificating on subjects you have no knowledge of, you just be you




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            • #26
              Originally posted by War Room View Post

              Me too, you sweat so much. Elliptical is better for you than running joint wise. Running should really only be used if you're into being a competitive athlete. Now that I'm older, I've realized the toll running puts on your body, you don't think about it when you're young. Ended up tearing my meniscus doing something non athletic. Not the end of the world and I'm totally ok, but you think about how you got there and running thousands of miles was one of them.
              I did a lot of running and my left knee began to have sharp pains after a few months, so that was that.
              War Room War Room likes this.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by markusmod View Post

                I did a lot of running and my left knee began to have sharp pains after a few months, so that was that.
                Are you competing?

                If yes, I would literally need to have a consultation. So many questions: height, weight, shoe brand, how do you pronate (you can tell by looking at the bottom of a really used sneaker where which side is bore down), run outside what kind of surface, run inside, heel/toe or toe/heel, weather, leg gear, diet, sharp pain when you ran or after, past medical issues, type of job you have, any pain when you ran or after, if yes what kind, would need to see a sample video if you running, etc.

                When I see people running, most runners have poor form or form issues. I was lucky to have good coaching from competitive runners I personally knew.

                If you're not competing, don't run at all. When you hit 40, you'll thank me.

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