What's the deal with Chicken Legs?

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  • Lovely
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    #21
    Originally posted by Home town hero
    i dont think boxers have that skinny legs but in comparison to the upper body they definatly are smaller on the whole. Does any think that having stronger legs results in being able to take a punch better?
    Originally posted by Ylem122
    Longer muscles have more endurance bigger muscles have more strength.

    dont know about you guys buy my legs maybe skinny but there just about the same size from ankle to knee not like some people that have 2 foot round calfs and 6 in ankles. biceps are just about the same way most boxers have biceps from their shoulder to their elbow pretty much even, no giant buldge in the middle, because they punch alot for endurance instead of curling alot of weight for strength. long plate like muscles is the overall goal in any type of fighting where speed in important not big buldging ones

    all in all its probably the same amount of muscle just they have diffrent purposes
    ehh, i donno about muscle "length". i believe mass has very little to do with endurance. for example, at 185 pounds and 5'11", i would have a considerable amount of mass. however, i exclusively train for endurance. professional bike racers have HUGE mother****ing legs and train for having legs capable of ridiculous power output for hours.
    that being said, there are fast twitch and slow twitch muscle fibres. fast twitch is for explosive power, whereas slow twitch is endurance. in your example, you stated that boxers have no bicep peak as a result of endurance training.

    in this picture, cotto and mosley both have bicep peaks. there is no straight line from shoulder to elbow.
    now, hypertrophy is where a muscle grows larger, plain and simple. endurance training is not targetted to cause hypertrophy; however in the case of the boxer, and the cyclist, they have larger muscles than the marathon runner. why is this? i can only assume that as a result of fast-twitch muscle fibre training (check out olympic lifters, those guys know a thing or 2 about explosive movement), hypertrophy may have more of an inclination to occur.
    as you said the "longer" (which can only assumed to be slow twitch) muscles are more favourable, but i would have to disagree. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDy41yxwbb0
    here's mike tyson, big ****in guy. he is a prime example of a large guy rockin the fast twitch hypertrophy. thomas hearns, lean dude rockin the fast twitch, but with considerably less mass.
    now factor the body builder with "Big bulging muscles" in. he is probably slower than a mother****er (unless he's been doing olympic lifts) as a result of not training fast twitch muscles. what is more explosve, a clapping pushup, or a ridiculously heavy bench press (primarily to induce hypertrophy)? of course the clapping pushup. those kinds of bulging muscles are useless and slow, but someone with tyson's size has the explosive power necessary for boxing. then theres the strongmen who do the slow lifts and also are faster than a goddamn cheetah... but thats another realm of exercise.
    anyway i hope i illuminated fast/slow twitch muscle fibres and if i said anything wrong correct me.

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    • Spartacus Sully
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      #22
      for the most part sounds good. Not that im saying there is no peak what so ever but its not like mt evrest sittin on their arm its fairly rounded. there is not large buldge and it is a smooth plate like muscle that goes from their shoulder to their elbow. the elbow then continues in the matter by not being much smaller then the bicep gradually dropping in size till you get to the wrist.


      the diffrence between slow and fast is due to what thier made of not what size and shape slow twitch have more veins and higher amounts of myoglobin which is why they tend to be dark meat because they are mainly used to support posture and are constanly being used. like the legs of a chicken and not the breasts.

      fast twitch are made of tendons and barely any myoglobin is also tends to be good eletrical conductors and contract when placed in potassium baths

      the more muscle you have the more it produces the things it needs like ATP and the more muscle you have the faster it can use things that you dont like acid build up

      hypertrophy is when muscles swell up or get bigger by taking in water

      Hyperplasia is when muscles tear and split in 2 (there is a possibility that you get 2 fibers from the 1 but there is not a definate way to cause this to happen its probably a whole combination of how your working out to how your eating)

      runners end up with fast twitch calf muscles and slow twitch thigh and quads. bikers tend to develop slow twitch calf muscles and dont really do much work on your quads and thighs if anything it just reinforces their slow twichey ness

      I have more to say not sure how to word it but my shifts almost over at work.....take a look if you have any questions or something to say feel free
      please do infact it would probably bring up more stuff and we can figure out the mysteries to slow and fast twitch

      and i need to rethink the whole rounded due to endurance its probably rounded due to the act of punching being fast twitch punching so much probably makes it rounder if anything

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      • Spartacus Sully
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        #23
        ok so....what was my point again? oh yeah chicken legs........not really sure any more check out jim jeffries legs though like tree trunks from ankle to knee


        and i think there are to many variables involved on how to make the perfect muscles for boxing and every one has something different to say Range Of motion to reps and weight to interval training and every day in a boxers life so many things they do influence the legs but personally i think we tend to create more full muscles that are rounded but not peaked or buldging perhaps through building up for strength and tearing down for endurance. speed i think is just how fast your muscle dose what you tell it to i think if anything its a mental thing and not about how strong the muscle is though due to tendons being stretchier and it conducting eletricity better i think fast twitch muscles do react faster nervously and only slightly faster physically.

        has any one ever check out a boxers arm like one that died in their prime and actually seen what kind of muscles were in his arms? maybe its all dark meat just trained to move really fast?

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        • Bobby Shaw
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          #24
          It has something to do with training.Floyd,Manny,Ricky Hatton ,Mike Tyson dont have skinny legs.Meanwhile Harris had skinny once.
          I know Floyd and Ricky do weights.Mike used to only do 3 miles of jogging and sprinting.I dont know about others.Some guys are symetrical,it doesnt make sense that someone has skinny legs because they move in the ring.It's just an unbalanced training nothing else.

          It's just like when you lift weights in the gym,if all you do is working out your shoulder and chest,that's all that will develop.Some boxers do their jogging which makes them lose weight and give them endurance but they dont do extra work on the legs so their legs dont add muscle.Some work out the quads but dont work the calf muscles,thats all neglect.That way the legs become skinny.
          Last edited by Bobby Shaw; 05-30-2009, 06:23 PM.

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