Gaining power without gaining mass

[Verstyle]

I guess you ran out of arguments, so you pulled the "I'm desperate, so I'll just laugh it off and leave" card.

yep u got me. have fun proving every1 wrong.

[PunchDrunk]

yep u got me. have fun proving every1 wrong.

Just the people who don't know wtf they're talking about, and are too stubborn to admit it.

[Verstyle]

Just the people who don't know wtf they're talking about, and are too stubborn to admit it.

ok. .......

[Sweat]

We're discussing what gets you stronger, light weights or heavy weights! What does that have to do with Erik Morales??? Geez...
1. I don't know enough about the kind of training he did for that fight (or any of his other fights) to defend that training program.
2. I think it's quite unfair to blame what I'm saying on Morales' loss. I had nothing to do with that what so ever. How do you know whether I would advocate his training program or not, when I don't even know myself?
3. There's a lot more to a boxing match than whether a guy did bench presses or whatever, for 8 weeks before a fight.
4. Completely changing an aging athlete's training regimen that lat in his career is not something I would advise, since different training methodologies take a long time to be effective. When I started with my current fighters, it took between 8 months and 1½ years for the effects to really show.


5. Whoah! That's quite a leap in logic. From ONE person, Erik Morales, to the conclusion that it doesn't work "for most".... HahaBesides, WHAT doesn't work for most? Lifting heavy to get stronger? Do you have diagrams of Erik Morales's squat strength, that says his max lift went down because of lifting heavy?? No one ever claimed that lifting heavy will make you a good boxer. Or increase your stamina (which is usually what's lacking when you get knocked out as late as round 10 btw).

You're reaching...

First of all, Mr Genius I know it all, I was just giving an example about the whole all natural thing.

Second, my fault if my logic doesn't meet your standards, Mr Genius. Do u want me to worship u now? Do u feel superior? I bet u do.

[trips420]

Once you get past 6-8 reps your stimulating the slow twitch muscle fibers in the muscle wich are responsible for endurance.For power you want to stimulate your fast twitch muscle fibers as there mostly responsible for power by doing low reps.So the people who are saying low reps with heavy weight are correct.In order to gain muscle you gotta intake larger than average calories for your weight and 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per body pound.Lifting heavy with low reps and doing only a few sets per muscle group would be ideal for power if your not trying to gain muscle.If you try to do to many sets your going to just tear your body down because you will damage the muscle and wont be giving it enough protein to repair.Bodybuilders lift with heavy weight and do low reps but they do alot of sets for the larger muscle groups in order to damage them and with the amount calories and protein they intake the muscle heals and comes back larger.

[PunchDrunk]

Once you get past 6-8 reps your stimulating the slow twitch muscle fibers in the muscle wich are responsible for endurance.For power you want to stimulate your fast twitch muscle fibers as there mostly responsible for power by doing low reps.So the people who are saying low reps with heavy weight are correct.In order to gain muscle you gotta intake larger than average calories for your weight and 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per body pound.Lifting heavy with low reps and doing only a few sets per muscle group would be ideal for power if your not trying to gain muscle.If you try to do to many sets your going to just tear your body down because you will damage the muscle and wont be giving it enough protein to repair.Bodybuilders lift with heavy weight and do low reps but they do alot of sets for the larger muscle groups in order to damage them and with the amount calories and protein they intake the muscle heals and comes back larger.

[irony]Dude! You're way too scientific! Like, you know what you're talking about and stuff. That's no good[/irony]

[Trick]

I don't know why everyone's gangin' up on PunchDrunk, he's one of the only people on here that actually understands the physiology of boxing.

And what is the 'Natural' approach anyways? Are you implying the PunchDrunk feeds his fighters elephant growth hormone, just because he knows something about the science? I'm not sure I understood that part.

I'm not gonna add too much more to the actual discussion, because in my estimation, PunchDrunk has a good idea about how to strength train for boxing, and at least as far as boxing is concerned, probably better than me.

[BrooklynBomber]

Punchdrunk said it much better then me and I can +1 tp every one of his posts, he has a pretty damn good idea of what is going on.

[danny stash]

yea look at bruce lee he trained in strength. Lift heavy and keep the reps really low.

this is COMPLETELY wrong...hi reps light weight to not put on mass.

[BrooklynBomber]

this is COMPLETELY wrong...hi reps light weight to not put on mass.

Food puts on mass,