Willie Pep is a Master, but Floyd is Garbage

[ThunderGatti]

And this is why he lost so many times, plus he can't do what Mayweather can..[/B][/COLOR]

I know PBF is a better boxer than Gatti, its proven in their fight. But Floyd wonders why ppl dont liek him like they do a Gatti or Pep, that is why.

When Floyd breaks his hand he takes a knee, when Gatti breaks his hand he he hits you with it!!!

Check Floyd's KO percentage then check Pep's.

And how far did Pep move up in weight?

Floyd moving up in weight is going to be a disadvantage, so he is not going to be knocking guys out or standing toe to toe.

He used to break his fighters down, then stand toe to toe. He was right in front of fighters, making them miss, and tagging them up.

For title fights and knockouts, did you miss the Chico fight?
Remember, Chico never lost before, and was never knocked out. Chico was destroyed, and if you haven't noticed, Chico doesn't throw pillows for punches.

Buddy, dont kid yourself. Your gonna sit there and tell Pep couldnt pick up a BS alphabet title that we have today. Also the different amount of weight classes that there are today, there are twice as many divisions as there were when Pep fought. Being a world champ when Pep was boxing actually meant something. They say PBF is 4 time champ in as many weightclasses in actuality he is a 2 time champ.

And


Chico cant carry the jock of a Sandler or half of the opponets Pep fought, beat or KO'd.

[amagnin]

Floyd is a 3 time legitimate champ (130, 135, 147). And I am not saying that he is better than Tony Pep or that Pep should even be criticized. I am simply saying that Floyd catches criticism for things other fighters don't. For instance, people accuse Floyd of ducking Margarito (pretty much the only person anybody can claim Floyd "ducked") and there is still a good chance that they could fight. Yet nobody seems to criticize Sugar Ray Leonard for not fighting Aaron Pryor or waiting until Hagler was on the decline to schedule a fight with him. Again I am not criticizing SRL for that just pointing out the reality of boxing, historically and today.

[yrrej]

Funny you ask this question and sign yourself, "Abe Attell". I see Pep mostly flat-footed, standing in front of the other guy or circling, not running, around. Anyway, does "2 - 3 fights a month", "sometimes 2 - 3 fights a week" mean anything to you? You are comparing a fighter with a poser.....

[dempseyfan]

If you don't like PBF then that is fine to say. But, no way in hell are you qualified to label him as "garbage", making fighters look silly in the ring is not garbage. I am more of a fan of PEP's due to the fact that I like the old-timers more then the newer school of fighters.

[dempseyfan]

Floyd is a 3 time legitimate champ (130, 135, 147). And I am not saying that he is better than Tony Pep or that Pep should even be criticized. I am simply saying that Floyd catches criticism for things other fighters don't. For instance, people accuse Floyd of ducking Margarito (pretty much the only person anybody can claim Floyd "ducked") and there is still a good chance that they could fight. Yet nobody seems to criticize Sugar Ray Leonard for not fighting Aaron Pryor or waiting until Hagler was on the decline to schedule a fight with him. Again I am not criticizing SRL for that just pointing out the reality of boxing, historically and today.

I still don't see what is so special about Margarito that has everyone barking that floyd is ducking him.

[dempseyfan]

"Being a world champ when Pep was boxing actually meant something".

I will second that motion.

[amagnin]

In total agreement there, I was just simply pointing out the hypocricy with today's boxing. Floyd is very unlikeable and hence people want to discredit his accomplishments. I can think he is a pompous prick without letting it cloud my opinion of his boxing skills (which are vast).

[Abe Attell]

If you don't like PBF then that is fine to say. But, no way in hell are you qualified to label him as "garbage", making fighters look silly in the ring is not garbage. I am more of a fan of PEP's due to the fact that I like the old-timers more then the newer school of fighters.

Are you talking to me?

If so, it was only for the threat title, make sure to read the statements I make in the first post.

I find it funny that people say Floyd is this and that, but don't say the same about Pep, who danced around. When they talk about Pep, he is a boxing genius, a painter in the ring, etc.
For Floyd, he runs scared around the ring, he doesn't fight, he doesn't go toe to toe, etc.

[Abe Attell]

Funny you ask this question and sign yourself, "Abe Attell". I see Pep mostly flat-footed, standing in front of the other guy or circling, not running, around. Anyway, does "2 - 3 fights a month", "sometimes 2 - 3 fights a week" mean anything to you? You are comparing a fighter with a poser.....

Floyd doesn't run, he dances around the ring. Running is what that French guy was doing when he fought Hopkins.

Floyd has knockouts, does he not? He stood in front of the majority of his opponents, which is why he has 24 knockouts in 37 fights. Baldomir is a big fighter, Floyd couldn't do that with him, especially with a hurt hand.

[cortdawg25]

If you claim to be the best of all time, you damn well better not be afraid and produce a knockout against an opponent who is ready to go.
And Pep stood right in front of his opponents and fought with them many times.

Only thing with that is that Baldomir wasn't ready to go, when was the last time a real welterweight knocked him down? The guy's head looks and is built like brick. He ain't getting KOed unless it was to the body. Floyd didn't run in the fight, he was always right in front of him, he just wasn't punching as often in the later rounds. The fight wasn't that exciting, but I saw something beautiful in every round. Baldomir just wasn't good enough to get more out of him but strong enough to take the punishment all night if he had to.