Mayweather Vs DurÁn (147)

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Chavez was winning the fight before his corner stopped the fight and even the announcers and hbos ledderman said so.

All those fighters I mentione gave him hell, he beat Vargas but man, did Vargas make Mayweather work for that win. And we already know what Castillo did. Now imagine Duran, being as relentless as Vargas and more skilled then Castillo, thing is Duran is when he wants to be he had it all. So Duran by UD if not by tko.

And yes i aggree its premature to match him up with Duran, because after all, Mayweather is ducking Margarito.

And Benitez is shoulders ahead of Mayweather when it comes to defence and imo, they were both boxers but Mayweather uses his legs, and from what i've seen Benitez can stand in front of you and make you miss all your punchs. Benitez, that guy was a very slick fighter.

Floyd Mayweathe jr-Jesus Chavez
scores at the times of stoppage
Lou Filippo 89-82 | Judge: Marty Sammon 88-83 | Judge: Tom Kaczmarek 87-84

Mayw-Vargas
Chuck Giampa 118-109 | Judge: Daniel Van de Wiele 119-108 | Judge: John Keane 119-108

and my scorecards were not particularly different.

you are confusing thrown punches with landed punches, and the landing part only Castillo did it.

as i wrote all over the place, Duran was a beast.

you say that when he brings it all he is unbeatable. The fact that he didnt always bring it all to the ring has to be accounted for, otherwise Judah is a great fighter.

Margarito has nothing to do with Duran. Duran is faster and 10 more skilled. I know we will never agree on this: you want to see mayw-margarito (ie: mayw vs someone big, powerful and bringing pressure), I want to see mayw-hatton, (ie: mayw. vs someone who brings pressure speed angles).

Why? because the fight with margarito would be Floyd evading and pot shotting until (and IF he does at all, the size of this IF is where our opinion diverges) margarito lands a big haymaker. So I would not see the thing I am most curious about: Floyd actually fighting, which can be brought out only by someone who can move on his ass real fast and be there all night, and throw punches that he doesnt see coming (not all of them at least).

Mayw. and Benitez-- the human radar is one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time, so is mayw. your "two shoulder above" comment is your opinion. i will give you mine

Who is more effective? their defense is different. Not so much because floyd relies on his feet, more than benitez (although it is definitely true in some fights). Benitez is more instinctive. mayw more technically sound. Benitez is more careless, a la roy jones or ali, (although more technically solid than these two. who are almost pathological cases). But Benitez's is less "robust to mistakes" than mayw's, which is more planned. This is just reflection of mayw's being a gym rat and benitez being famous for not training (hence the famous quote from Manny Steward (before Hearns Benitez), something like "now that I know benitez trained for the fight, I am sure we will win"). It might have been that with more discipline Benitez might have trained and bridled his great instincts to perfection and would now be rated above willie pep but he did not.

[GunStar]

Let Duran hear you say this and he'll drop you with a right cross.

Lol, not the Duran of today, the guy is like 220 LBS of fat!

[monkeyboy]

Duran. KO mid rounds. Easy. No question IMO.

To the guys who make the vast simplification about 'Old Time' fighters being rated unfairly high, wake up and smell the coffee.
First look at the records, then watch the fights themselves. Then engage brains. Duran, Hearns, Hagler and Leonard stand out as better boxers than both later and earlier fighters. They were not just talented. They were not just dedicated. They had an ethos that is virtually unmatched. Their desire to conquer all opposition is only seen in a few fighters in each era. You see certain warriors who have a similar mentality but nowhere near comparible abilities like Gatti and they are very creditable.
In that one period of time, those four fighters transcended pretty much any fighters before or after.
Mayweather fights well.
He is not in the same league as Duran. He has not achieved anything close to Duran. With his impending retirement he will close the door on the argument once and for all.
Not even close.

[ferocity]

Floyd Mayweathe jr-Jesus Chavez
scores at the times of stoppage
Lou Filippo 89-82 | Judge: Marty Sammon 88-83 | Judge: Tom Kaczmarek 87-84

Mayw-Vargas
Chuck Giampa 118-109 | Judge: Daniel Van de Wiele 119-108 | Judge: John Keane 119-108

and my scorecards were not particularly different.

you are confusing thrown punches with landed punches, and the landing part only Castillo did it.

Judges are always going to have the fight scored differnt then us or others. As us we're going to score the fight differently. And Puchs were landed in those fights i menioned. I know Mayweather won the other fights but lost the Castillo fight and was losing to Chavez.

And i still say that those fighters gave Mayweather hell.

as i wrote all over the place, Duran was a beast.

you say that when he brings it all he is unbeatable. The fact that he didnt always bring it all to the ring has to be accounted for, otherwise Judah is a great fighter.

I've seen enough of Judah to know that he's more hype then others. I was a fan of Judah, still am. But in every single fight, no matter the opponet he was in danger of losing.

Margarito has nothing to do with Duran. Duran is faster and 10 more skilled. I know we will never agree on this: you want to see mayw-margarito (ie: mayw vs someone big, powerful and bringing pressure), I want to see mayw-hatton, (ie: mayw. vs someone who brings pressure speed angles).

I made that comparison based on Margarito relentless pressure, punch, resistance, and underestimated ablilities. Mayweather-Hatton would be an easy fight for Mayweather.

Why? because the fight with margarito would be Floyd evading and pot shotting until (and IF he does at all, the size of this IF is where our opinion diverges) margarito lands a big haymaker. So I would not see the thing I am most curious about: Floyd actually fighting, which can be brought out only by someone who can move on his ass real fast and be there all night, and throw punches that he doesnt see coming (not all of them at least).

I think you're hyping Hatton a bit too much, but you never know. Imo, Mayweathers style easily defeats Hatton, and of course he'd pot shot and move out of the way fast.

Mayw. and Benitez-- the human radar is one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time, so is mayw. your "two shoulder above" comment is your opinion. i will give you mine

Who is more effective? their defense is different. Not so much because floyd relies on his feet, more than benitez (although it is definitely true in some fights). Benitez is more instinctive. mayw more technically sound. Benitez is more careless, a la roy jones or ali, (although more technically solid than these two. who are almost pathological cases). But Benitez's is less "robust to mistakes" than mayw's, which is more planned. This is just reflection of mayw's being a gym rat and benitez being famous for not training (hence the famous quote from Manny Steward (before Hearns Benitez), something like "now that I know benitez trained for the fight, I am sure we will win"). It might have been that with more discipline Benitez might have trained and bridled his great instincts to perfection and would now be rated above willie pep but he did not.

Benitez may have lost against Hearns, but man, their were times in this fight that Benitez just stood right in front of Hearns and made Hearns miss all of his punchs. Good fight. Benitez and Gomez two great Puerto Rican fighters.

Talking about defence, isn't Benny Leonard a defensive wizard too? I've read and seen a few segments on him. They say he was a slick fighters too.

Like you said, if Benitez had trained for his fights he would have been even greater. He had talent. I dont' think anyone else will ever break his record for being the youngest Champion.

[ferocity]

Lol, not the Duran of today, the guy is like 220 LBS of fat!

You sure about that? Next time you see him, yell "no mas" lets see what he does to you, lol.

[GunStar]

You sure about that? Next time you see him, yell "no mas" lets see what he does to you, lol.

Lol, OK I will, I think I can take Duran.

[ferocity]

Lol, OK I will, I think I can take Duran.

Good luck and adios. You forget a few years ago, Duran was still an active fighter.

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Lol, OK I will, I think I can take Duran.

wait

are you serious?

[GunStar]

Good luck and adios. You forget a few years ago, Duran was still an active fighter.

I'm 235 solid and Duran is old fat 220. I can bench over 500lbs and nver lost a fight!
In a street fight with me Duran will yell No Mas! No Mas!

[GunStar]

wait

are you serious?

Not really, I have respect for people and I will not disrespct Duran like that, but yes I think I can take the old fat Duran!