If Floyd retired today would you recognise him as an all-time great?

[Mr. Ryan]

if he fights oscar, and struggles to win, but wins, then yes, he would be an all time great.

if his next fight is with oscar, that fight has to be phenominal for the sake of both fighter's legacies.

Oscar is faded now, I don't think he'd be able to keep up with Mayweather at this point.

[TheEvilSaint]

Oscar is faded now, I don't think he'd be able to keep up with Mayweather at this point.

i dont think hes "faded". sure hes probly not as sharp as he once was, but a fight between oscar and floyd is the biggest fight that can be made and the only fight either of them have left.

[Mr. Ryan]

i dont think hes "faded". sure hes probly not as sharp as he once was, but a fight between oscar and floyd is the biggest fight that can be made and the only fight either of them have left.

I agree, but I think with De La Hoya's natural size advantages and comparable skills and speed, he would've won in their primes. But right now, DLH's best days are behind him. His inactivity and the fact he hasn't beaten an A level speedster, or even fought one since Mosley, would all work against him.

[Kid Achilles]

I agree completely. I don't want this fight to happen because of what people will say when Mayweather wins. They will try to build up the result like they did with Tyson-Lewis and Johnson/Jeffries.

[Dorian]

yes... specialy if he fights DLH or any top fighter next then retires i would say yes...

[Mr. Ryan]

I agree completely. I don't want this fight to happen because of what people will say when Mayweather wins. They will try to build up the result like they did with Tyson-Lewis and Johnson/Jeffries.

Yep, at this point against an elite fighter like Floyd Mayweather Jr, De La Hoya is just a symbol, a trophy because of the uneven terms of engagement.

[DiegoFuego]

Diego is a proven moron and his opinion amounts to a dead cat I might see on the road on my way to work. It's ugly, perhaps even a little sad, but I try to ignore it and just keep driving.

didn't you pick Baldomir to beat Mayweather? LOL!

[deuce_drop]

i would say that floyd is great, but not an "All Time Great". if he retired today i would say that he fell short of being an all time great by a few fights. i think he needs more fights to be considered an all time great. he needs bigger names on his resume and closer fights, to be completely honest.

i like floyd, i like him a lot he's a great fighter and a joy to watch, but an all time great, there have been fighters that have accomplished more than him that are disputed when it comes to being called an "All Time Great". what he has done has been great and his record is great, but it falls short of being an "All Time Great".

[Guest]

I don't think I've posted on this thread...not sure, though. There's so many freaking Floyd threads I'm getting dizzy.

Anyway, in a nutshell: NO. If Floyd retires today, he is not an all-time-great. He's above average and very good; but hasn't done enough or been tested over the entire scope of his career to be put into Val Halla. The Golden Mead is reserved for those who have done far more than collect a few paper belts.


He was a very, very good Jr. Lightweight Champion and beat several really good fighters: Hernandez, Manfreddy, Corrales, and Chavez.

He wasn't the Best Lightweight of All-Time by a long-shot; but he was a good lightweight champon, though he didn't stick around too long, he did finally beat Castillo convincingly.

He did nothing of significance at 140 and didn't even fight the champion; but settled for a good payday against a popular fighter who was past his best and an easy mark.

He has beaten the Welterweight Champ and a very good former Welterweight champ....so, he's a good welteweight champion in the great scheme of things, at the moment.


All-Time Greatness is based on far more than skill, talent, and ability....it's about production, competition, heart, and snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.....the intangible factors that can't be traced to DNA; but to the soul. The ATG's are Champions through and through....we don't know that about Floyd, yet.

If Muhammad Ali had retired in 1967 when he was stripped, would he be ranked as highly as he is now, without ever having fought in the 1970's? The ATG's were tested and prevailed. Floyd hasn't been tested yet; he's been division-hopping, for the most part.

Do you count RJJ as an ATG, K-Dogg?

[hollister]

I damn sure don't lol