If Floyd retired today would you recognise him as an all-time great?

[Mr. Ryan]

he had his talents and gifts, but he held those titles only cuz he fought bums. he was a hugley hyped fighter.

no offense, but what point are you trying to make? ur like praising and bashing jones at the same time.

Praising and bashing fighters as you put it is avoiding stacking the deck, it's looking at both sides of the coin. You're not being objective if you only look at one aspect of a fighters career. No one is perfect, not even fighters.

[TheEvilSaint]

Praising and bashing fighters as you put it is avoiding stacking the deck, it's looking at both sides of the coin. You're not being objective if you only look at one aspect of a fighters career. No one is perfect, not even fighters.

i can understand looking at both sides. i do that quite often, but ur presenting it in a positive and negative (one after the other) fashion, instead of a neutral fashion.

[kallsop]

PBF is right up there with Hector Camacho at this stage of his career. Great speed, and the great career defining fight is always the one after the next, and never happens.

He still has a few prime years left, and he needs to make them count. He definitely has the opportunity to be an all time great, maybe the greatest of all time. But you don't get that with talk, only by beating other greats.

Right now he seems obsessed with getting semi retired old man DLH or Mosley into the ring, purely for the money. Who was the last prime fighter he fought?

[Mr. Ryan]

i can understand looking at both sides. i do that quite often, but ur presenting it in a positive and negative (one after the other) fashion, instead of a neutral fashion.

There are many positives and many negatives to the career of Roy Jones. To understand the whole picture, you have to look at it from the perspective of the fighter and the fan, and then balance them both out. It's weird, particularly with a polarizing figure like Roy Jones.

[Guest]

that leave jones in the "nothing but hype" category.

of course fighters of today are ******* compared to fighters of previous decades and eras. which is why its almost laughable to consider any fighter from the past 15 years an "all time great".

Music to my ears, ES, music to my ears...

[K-DOGG]

I don't think I've posted on this thread...not sure, though. There's so many freaking Floyd threads I'm getting dizzy.

Anyway, in a nutshell: NO. If Floyd retires today, he is not an all-time-great. He's above average and very good; but hasn't done enough or been tested over the entire scope of his career to be put into Val Halla. The Golden Mead is reserved for those who have done far more than collect a few paper belts.


He was a very, very good Jr. Lightweight Champion and beat several really good fighters: Hernandez, Manfreddy, Corrales, and Chavez.

He wasn't the Best Lightweight of All-Time by a long-shot; but he was a good lightweight champon, though he didn't stick around too long, he did finally beat Castillo convincingly.

He did nothing of significance at 140 and didn't even fight the champion; but settled for a good payday against a popular fighter who was past his best and an easy mark.

He has beaten the Welterweight Champ and a very good former Welterweight champ....so, he's a good welteweight champion in the great scheme of things, at the moment.


All-Time Greatness is based on far more than skill, talent, and ability....it's about production, competition, heart, and snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.....the intangible factors that can't be traced to DNA; but to the soul. The ATG's are Champions through and through....we don't know that about Floyd, yet.

If Muhammad Ali had retired in 1967 when he was stripped, would he be ranked as highly as he is now, without ever having fought in the 1970's? The ATG's were tested and prevailed. Floyd hasn't been tested yet; he's been division-hopping, for the most part.

[southpaw83]

Is he an all time great? Nope. He's 29 though, and if anyone thinks he's gonna give up after another fight they're deluded. There are a lot more easy paydays for Floyd, and I think he'll take them.

He might want to take a look a Manny Pacquiao, he's not got a perfect record, but he's got Barrera and Morales on his W list - and he'll fight them again

[TheEvilSaint]

if he fights oscar, and struggles to win, but wins, then yes, he would be an all time great.

if his next fight is with oscar, that fight has to be phenominal for the sake of both fighter's legacies.

[mic573]

There's no denying Mayweather's skills and talent but if he retired today I wouldn't consider him an all time great.

There are alot of fights that I would love to see him in like Hatton, Cotto, Delahoya, Mosley and Margarito but there is alot of bull**** on both sides that are preventing these fights from happening.

That's what is wrong with boxing today, too much bull**** and not enough action.

[wmute]

off the top of my head

if he retired now. I would have him in my top 50, out of the top 20, in a hypothetical all time p4p list. (off the top of my head because i dont have that list).