mayweather's offense vs. southpaws- predictable?

**jack_the_rippuh** · 11-03-2006, 10:51 AM

Zab Judah has quick feet.
Cutting off the ring is something Floyd never had to do.
I think he did pretty good in the later rounds, fighting with a style he never used before.

From what I remember, Floyd caught Zab in the corners, especially when he threw the straight right. Zab couldn't get out of the way of the straight right (his left hand was always too low).

I haven't seen that fight in a while.
I'll have to watch it again.

**cortdawg25** · 11-03-2006, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Azteca

anyway, this thread has no bearing on the baldomir - mayweather. just some friendly banter about floyd's gameplan vs. southpaw's.

i just watched the judah fight and i think so. for the first 4-5 rounds, fighting from the outside was just not working because judah had much faster handspeed and was more comfortable at that weight. so he came forward behind high gaurd and a lead right hand, alot like winky wright except winky does everything from southpaw position. threw a gread right hand to the body but he was somewhat predictable, imo.

did any of you also catch judah circling out of corners. floyd cannot cut off the ring!! i think if judah had more discipline and if he had more intention on actually winning the fight, instead of trying to emberass mayweather and had he kept the jab pumping he may of been able to outwork floyd.

anyway, more to come from floyd vs. orthodox.

opinions, gents?

edit- fooking hell mayweather throws GREAT body punches.

he made an adjustment in that fight, I think after the third round. Zab was countering off his jab and timing him well. So what he did was hold his guard higher than usual and fire straight rights that would land before Zab could counter. he didn't have to cut the ring and get Zab against the ropes, he could win in the middle of the ring like he did. As the fight went on, Zab started to not throw as many punches, not because he was hurt but because he was getting beat to the punch. he couldn't jab no more because he was getting countered and beat to the punch.

**wmute** · 11-03-2006, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Azteca

anyway, this thread has no bearing on the baldomir - mayweather. just some friendly banter about floyd's gameplan vs. southpaw's.

i just watched the judah fight and i think so. for the first 4-5 rounds, fighting from the outside was just not working because judah had much faster handspeed and was more comfortable at that weight. so he came forward behind high gaurd and a lead right hand, alot like winky wright except winky does everything from southpaw position. threw a gread right hand to the body but he was somewhat predictable, imo.

did any of you also catch judah circling out of corners. floyd cannot cut off the ring!! i think if judah had more discipline and if he had more intention on actually winning the fight, instead of trying to emberass mayweather and had he kept the jab pumping he may of been able to outwork floyd.

anyway, more to come from floyd vs. orthodox.

opinions, gents?

edit- fooking hell mayweather throws GREAT body punches.

have to watch that again. I thought in the later rounds mayw. adjusted distance, timing and brought the fight wherever he wanted. I have to check waht you are saying about corners, but I am not sure it happened after round 4.

as for the offense being predictable, i agree up to a point: he did not put on a RJ show during the Judah fight, but it seems to me you cannot do too much with someone with judah's handspeed.

as for the comparison with winky... your getting good k for that, i like the idea, but i disagree. difference being floyd was not setting up stuff with his jab as much and look at the footwork, more dynamic (not saying effective)

**wmute** · 11-03-2006, 03:19 PM

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Azteca again.

**realheavyhands** · 11-03-2006, 04:18 PM

a prime vernon forrest would of killed floyd

**-EX-** · 11-03-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by realheavyhands

a prime vernon forrest would of killed floyd

Yeah ok...

**realheavyhands** · 11-03-2006, 05:09 PM

then you know nothing about styles, and mayweathers weak chin , he has exellent defense but his chin is a little shaky

**deliveryman** · 11-03-2006, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by cortdawg25

he made an adjustment in that fight, I think after the third round. Zab was countering off his jab and timing him well. So what he did was hold his guard higher than usual and fire straight rights that would land before Zab could counter. he didn't have to cut the ring and get Zab against the ropes, he could win in the middle of the ring like he did. As the fight went on, Zab started to not throw as many punches, not because he was hurt but because he was getting beat to the punch. he couldn't jab no more because he was getting countered and beat to the punch.

Exactly. For the first 3 rounds Floyd was trying to set up the straight right with his jab, which wasn't really working at all. Judah had Floyd's jab timed pretty well and was countering off of it.

Floyd adjusted and started leading with the straight right and followed it with a lefthook (also after some very nice body work by Floyd), which Judah had absolutely no answer for.

People tend to think that it was Judah running out of steam, rather than the brilliant adjustment that Floyd made during this fight.

**ferocity** · 11-03-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Azteca

anyway, this thread has no bearing on the baldomir - mayweather. just some friendly banter about floyd's gameplan vs. southpaw's.

i just watched the judah fight and i think so. for the first 4-5 rounds, fighting from the outside was just not working because judah had much faster handspeed and was more comfortable at that weight. so he came forward behind high gaurd and a lead right hand, alot like winky wright except winky does everything from southpaw position. threw a gread right hand to the body but he was somewhat predictable, imo.

did any of you also catch judah circling out of corners. floyd cannot cut off the ring!! i think if judah had more discipline and if he had more intention on actually winning the fight, instead of trying to emberass mayweather and had he kept the jab pumping he may of been able to outwork floyd.

anyway, more to come from floyd vs. orthodox.

opinions, gents?

edit- fooking hell mayweather throws GREAT body punches.

Imo, few fighters today can cut off the ring effectivly or at all.

mayweather's offense vs. southpaws- predictable?