Its really sad

[Violent Demise]

because they forgot.....

******ity has more to do with it

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yes its really sad and it redefines the term bandwagon

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Mike McCallum is a HOF? I dont remember much about him besides James Toney beat him twice.

did you see those 2 fights (one of which was a draw)? if you did you would instantly know why he is HOF

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Mike McCallum is a HOF? I dont remember much about him besides James Toney beat him twice.

I assumy you saw those 2 fights (one of which was a draw)

then you should already know he is special

[ferocity]

Roy is an all-time-great, I agree; but he didn't help himself with some of the fights he took.

Regarding Toney and Hopkins...okay, no arguement, though both Roy and Bernard were green when they met. Regarding McCallum and Hill, they were both past their best days. The Hill victory was still impressive because it was a stoppage and Hill had just lost the Light Heavyweight championship to Dariuas Ican'tspellhisnamski.

But, the knock against Jones is somewhat valid because he left room for speculation. He never fought DM, or Michael Nunn, or Chris Eubank, or Nigel Benn so those questions will forever remain open ended.

Also, people like to see a champion tested in the heart department. None of Jones's opponents really tested him until Tarver in the first fight. People like to see their champions dig down and pull it out. Whether it was because Roy was just that good, or because he avoided the toughest fights is up for grabs and one of those questions that will forever will be debated because we never saw him tested, really.

Thats basicly how i see it. I'd call him great but all-time....his chin and his level of competition has holes in them, but i don't really have problem with some one calling him that. But most people forget is the power he used to have when he went for ko's.

[DiegoFuego]

talent wise, he's up there. career accomplishment wise, not so much.

[BigSlick]

Thats basicly how i see it. I'd call him great but all-time....his chin and his level of competition has holes in them, but i don't really have problem with some one calling him that. But most people forget is the power he used to have when he went for ko's.

He lost that power at lightheavy weight because that was not his natural weight. RJJ was a monster at middleweight and I still have not seen a fighter more talented to this day.

[Abe Attell]

He lost that power at lightheavy weight because that was not his natural weight. RJJ was a monster at middleweight and I still have not seen a fighter more talented to this day.

Fighters are also bigger, stronger, can take better punches, and usually punch harder at LH weight.

Even Hagler, who was a great middleweight, didn't move up.

[ferocity]

He lost that power at lightheavy weight because that was not his natural weight. RJJ was a monster at middleweight and I still have not seen a fighter more talented to this day.

I don't belive that, he had Reggie Johnson ready to go, i beive he knocked him down with one punch each and he went down. What does Roy do, he lets him off the hook.

Don't be fooled by the added weight. Roy could have ko'd many fighters he fought at light heavyweight, but he was more worried about getting KO'd which eventually happened anyways, which is why he took the fighters 12 rounds.

Many boxing writers have said what im saying, cause if you see what he is doing to his oppoent, you see how they are reacting, but he lets them off hook. Roy still had the power at light heavyweight, Roys power is what allowed him to fight the way he did, or else he'd have gotten ko'd earlier, but his power always keep his opponets from taking risk, "some" of his opponet were contemp to just go 12 rounds and Roy, he didn't want to get hurt of ko'd so all he cared about was winning a 12 round descisin and thats it, if he had an opponet most of the time he'd back off unless he was 100 percent sure he wouldn't get hurt. I acutally stopped recording/watching some of his later fights, for the fact that he would allow ever opponet he faced to go 12 rounds with him, when it was clear he could have gotten a stoppage.

[BigSlick]

I don't belive that, he had Reggie Johnson ready to go, i beive he knocked him down with one punch each and he went down. What does Roy do, he lets him off the hook.

Don't be fooled by the added weight. Roy could have ko'd many fighters he fought at light heavyweight, but he was more worried about getting KO'd which eventually happened anyways, which is why he took the fighters 12 rounds.

Many boxing writers have said what im saying, cause if you see what he is doing to his oppoent, you see how they are reacting, but he lets them off hook. Roy still had the power at light heavyweight, Roys power is what allowed him to fight the way he did, or else he'd have gotten ko'd earlier, but his power always keep his opponets from taking risk, "some" of his opponet were contemp to just go 12 rounds and Roy, he didn't want to get hurt of ko'd so all he cared about was winning a 12 round descisin and thats it, if he had an opponet most of the time he'd back off unless he was 100 percent sure he wouldn't get hurt. I acutally stopped recording/watching some of his later fights, for the fact that he would allow ever opponet he faced to go 12 rounds with him, when it was clear he could have gotten a stoppage.

You got it twisted, Roy's unnatural speed, reflexes, and his great amateur background allowed him to move up in weight. Like Abe said, he didn't lose his power but the competition could just take his power at LH. Maybe he didn't sit down on his punches but he definately didn't use his power because it would have been uneffective and would just waste his energy he would need to move an box.

The deterioration of his speed and reflexes is what caused his downfall. For a fighter with that much of a physical advantage to lose those gifts is a major blow.