What Heavyweight Champion from the Past would be the best to dominate Now?

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  • Kid Achilles
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    #31
    Foreman's chin was at worst good, but how many times was he hit by a straight puncher of the caliber of Louis or Dempsey? The closest was Lyle, who had him in serious trouble and could have knocked him out had his heavy hands not bailed him out. I think his chin was reliable but nothing like Chuvalo, Tua, McCall, Baer, etc. or even Samuel Peter.

    As for his power, he had heavy ass hands, perhaps the heaviest of all time (until Sam Peter came along ha ha ha) at heavyweight but that does not equate to explosive one puncher power. I think a durable heavyweight puncher like Brewster, who proved his chin vs. an explosive puncher in Wlad Klitschko could possibly weather the storm while scoring with savage body blows and eventually take the fight.

    I'm not saying I'd bet on Brewster as a sure lock, but I'd put money on him as he'd be a huge underdog who would be a live on to my eyes.

    As for Toney, I thought for sure Peter would squash him but his upperbody movements and chin are something to behold. Yes, perhaps he does wither under a body attack but I think his counter right would startle and even hurt Foreman, who proved he could be hurt by quick straight punchers like Ali and Young.

    And don't give me the exhaustion excuse, Ali caught him and hurt him with a snappy punch and would have done the same in the first or second round if the opportunity presented itself. The exhaustion played it's role in that it enabled Ali to land on Foreman without him seeing it. Foreman was tired but you don't go from tired to concussed on your own accord. Ali's punch did the damage. A fight where exhaustion truly played a role in a knockout would be Maskaev-Rahman II where Rahman was falling all over the ring from Maskaev's slow tired punches and just didn't have anything in the tank. Ali-Foreman was one clean knockdown from which Foreman couldn't get up because his brain had been scrambled.

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    • Abe Attell
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      #32
      Originally posted by BostonGuy
      Abe did you deliberately exclude Muhammed Ali from this list?

      Ali is my choice.
      yes, I think I mentioned it on the first page...I excluded Ali because I thought people would pick him right away, so I excluded him...

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      • Abe Attell
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        #33
        Originally posted by K-DOGG
        Ali said he wanted to rematch Foreman; and I'm pretty sure George wanted a rematch.......but this was not a "duck-job". Politics and timing got in the way, to say nothing of George falling off the face of the planet for about a year.
        You sure?

        I thought George wanted a rematch right away, but Ali didn't want it or at least his people...I thought George said he was pissed off for a long time because he didn't get that rematch right away, which sunk his depression further and he couldn't focus on anybody else.

        I could see how Ali wouldn't want a rematch because no fighter, hopefully, would fall for the trap again...I can't remembr who said it, but somebody in the boxing world said if the rematch took place, and George just fought his fight, like he was going to do before arriving in Africa, he would of won...I think George even blamed the postponement of the fight that changed his attitude and made him mad and aggressive for the fight.

        Things workout in weird ways sometimes: without the postponement, what if George did fight his fight and won, what would Ali's Legacy and impact be?

        Maybe it is a "good guy vs bad guy" thing that seems to workout in this weird world...that or a over-confident/false sense of security type guy like Foreman and a Tyson, are doomed to blow it.
        Last edited by Abe Attell; 10-24-2006, 03:35 PM.

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        • K-DOGG
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          #34
          Originally posted by Abe Attell
          You sure?

          I thought George wanted a rematch right away, but Ali didn't want it or at least his people...I thought George said he was pissed off for a long time because he didn't get that rematch right away, which sunk his depression further and he couldn't focus on anybody else.

          I could see how Ali wouldn't want a rematch because no fighter, hopefully, would fall for the trap again...I can't remembr who said it, but somebody in the boxing world said if the rematch took place, and George just fought his fight, like he was going to do before arriving in Africa, he would of won...I think George even blamed the postponment of the fight that changed his attitude and made him mad and aggressive for the fight.
          You could be right. I haven't read up on it in a long time; I"m going on memory. Ali was seriously contemplating retirement at that time, also; but, of course ended up fighting Wepner and continuing on.

          George had a ton of excuses as to why he lost: the ropes, the delay, a witchdoctor, etc. So, that's not unusual. I'm not sure what the public demand was for a rematch though. Foreman was not that popular of a champion; nothing compared to what he is today. People just didn't like him because of how he came off publicly. Ali, of course, is going to go for the money fight too.

          So, no, I really don't remember. I'll tell you who would though. SABBATH and Yogi would probabloy have the specifics on that time frame.

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          • ROSEWOOD
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            #35
            None of the above.....

            Ali would kill these flat feet ****ers of todays....They dont move enough and he would dance all over their butts..

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            • realheavyhands
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              #36
              why the hell isnt ali or holmes on the list the 2 greatest ever

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              • Southpaw Stinger
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                #37
                Originally posted by realheavyhands
                why the hell isnt ali or holmes on the list the 2 greatest ever

                Because they are obvious choices.

                And how come this has turned into another Ali v Foreman thread? lol

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                • butterfly1964
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Southpaw Stinger
                  Because they are obvious choices.

                  And how come this has turned into another Ali v Foreman thread? lol
                  I have no idea, lol!

                  And I could name about 1,000 heavies that would dominate today.

                  Ali
                  Liston
                  Foreman
                  Tyson
                  Louis
                  Holmes
                  Frazier
                  Johnson
                  Dempsey
                  Lewis
                  Holyfield
                  Bowe
                  Marciano
                  Patterson
                  Charles
                  Tunney
                  Walcott
                  Norton
                  Ellis
                  M. Spinks
                  Prime Buster Douglass
                  etc.......................................

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                  • onetwopunch
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                    #39
                    Tyson would destroy these dudes..A prime Tyson was to quick for these big slow HW's of today and his power was crazy, head movement etc.. he had it all and had a great chin to go with it.

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