What Heavyweight Champion from the Past would be the best to dominate Now?

[butterfly1964]

Out of the list, Foreman. ANyone that could takeout Joe Frazier in two rounds would have no difficulty in destroying today's heavies. Hey, he was dominant at 45, so imagine how dominant he would be at 25!

[Toddy]

louis, the man had some great strength and reasonable speed, he had no trouble in beatin the bigger opponent e.g. max baer or primo carnera

[Kid Achilles]

I hate to rain on everyone's parade but Foreman just doesn't do it for me. I'm not sold on his chin (good but not great IMO), one punch power, stamina, or ability to deal with straight punchers who had power. As for him hitting as hard as Samuel Peter, I'm not too sure of that. Foreman to me was just a hulking brute with heart and balls who threw wild punches with both hands until guys collapsed from the punishment. He was good at cutting off the ring from most opponents he fought but these were guys who were either intimidated from the get go, or came right at him and played into his cards. I think Toney, Brewster, and Vitali Klitschko would have a good shot at upsetting him. Perhaps even Sergei Lyakovich depending on how good his chin really is.

I find it funny that people criticize Dempsey for being crude when he was in fact much slicker, cleverer, and skilled than Foreman could ever dream of being. LIkewise for Liston. Liston eats Foreman up I think. That's heresy here on the churchofforemanscene.com where Foreman is an unstoppable brute but Baer, Firpo, and similar fighters are complete crap and would get blown out of the water by John Ruiz or Roy Jones Jr.

To be honest, Firpo-Foreman would be 50-50 for me. Similar styled fighters with similar punching power, but Firpo had slightly better reflexes I'd say. Foreman has the edge in chin of course.

[TheEvilSaint]

i say jack dempsey. i mean just watching the guy fight is frightening. hes definatly the most aggressive HW champion in history, yes more so than mike tyson.

[Abe Attell]

I hate to rain on everyone's parade but Foreman just doesn't do it for me. . . He was good at cutting off the ring from most opponents he fought but these were guys who were either intimidated from the get go, or came right at him and played into his cards.
I find it funny that people criticize Dempsey for being crude when he was in fact much slicker, cleverer, and skilled than Foreman could ever dream of being. LIkewise for Liston. Liston eats Foreman up I think. That's heresy here on the churchofforemanscene.com where Foreman is an unstoppable brute but Baer, Firpo, and similar fighters are complete crap and would get blown out of the water by John Ruiz or Roy Jones Jr.

To be honest, Firpo-Foreman would be 50-50 for me. Similar styled fighters with similar punching power, but Firpo had slightly better reflexes I'd say. Foreman has the edge in chin of course.

I'm not sold on his chin (good but not great IMO), one punch power, stamina, or ability to deal with straight punchers who had power

Foreman has a great chin in my opinion...the problem is his inability in his younger years to pace himself, and by running out of gas, your chin turns to ****...not only that, but Foreman had a crap defense and when people landed on him, they landed flush...even Frazier landed a big left hook on him and George walked through it, so does that mean Frazier's power is overrated? or what about Frazier's chin, he got torched by Foreman, who was the only one to do that to Joe.
Also, for George's stamina, I heard he didn't like to run all that much....

As for him hitting as hard as Samuel Peter, I'm not too sure of that. Foreman to me was just a hulking brute with heart and balls who threw wild punches with both hands until guys collapsed from the punishment

Peter's power is overrated if anything, not George...ask Chuvalo how hard George hit...you see, fighter's back then (in the 70's) new how to box, they knew how to use defense, how to block punches and roll with the punch...you could see George's punches coming a mile away, so it enabled the opponent to prepare himself to get hit.
George also didn't seem to use his legs 100% into it, like other great power punchers...his technique in throwing punches was terrible as well...not being able to throw a proper punch, like a Joe Louis, or a Mike Tyson, the punch has less effect.

I think Toney, Brewster, and Vitali Klitschko would have a good shot at upsetting him. Perhaps even Sergei Lyakovich depending on how good his chin really is.

I think you have gone mad...



I also mentioned at the top, that the fighters would be allowed the training and trainers of today...

The one thing about George, he was able to pick the sport up late and do well...he never really had the proper trainer for him...sure he had Archie Moore, but Moore wasn't the perfect fit for him in my opinion.

[potatoes]

I hate to rain on everyone's parade but Foreman just doesn't do it for me. I'm not sold on his chin (good but not great IMO), one punch power, stamina, or ability to deal with straight punchers who had power. As for him hitting as hard as Samuel Peter, I'm not too sure of that. Foreman to me was just a hulking brute with heart and balls who threw wild punches with both hands until guys collapsed from the punishment. He was good at cutting off the ring from most opponents he fought but these were guys who were either intimidated from the get go, or came right at him and played into his cards. I think Toney, Brewster, and Vitali Klitschko would have a good shot at upsetting him. Perhaps even Sergei Lyakovich depending on how good his chin really is.

I find it funny that people criticize Dempsey for being crude when he was in fact much slicker, cleverer, and skilled than Foreman could ever dream of being. LIkewise for Liston. Liston eats Foreman up I think. That's heresy here on the churchofforemanscene.com where Foreman is an unstoppable brute but Baer, Firpo, and similar fighters are complete crap and would get blown out of the water by John Ruiz or Roy Jones Jr.

To be honest, Firpo-Foreman would be 50-50 for me. Similar styled fighters with similar punching power, but Firpo had slightly better reflexes I'd say. Foreman has the edge in chin of course.

If Foreman was so easy why didn't Ali give him a rematch?

[K-DOGG]

If Foreman was so easy why didn't Ali give him a rematch?

1. Cause George was inactive in 1975 due to depression.
2. When he resumed activity in 1976, Norton was the number 1 contender
3. He lost to Jimmy Young in 1977 and retired for 10 years.

[TheEvilSaint]

1. Cause George was inactive in 1975 due to depression.
2. When he resumed activity in 1976, Norton was the number 1 contender
3. He lost to Jimmy Young in 1977 and retired for 10 years.

did foreman ever ask for a rematch with ali?

[Derranged_]

Abe did you deliberately exclude Muhammed Ali from this list?

Ali is my choice.

[K-DOGG]

did foreman ever ask for a rematch with ali?

Ali said he wanted to rematch Foreman; and I'm pretty sure George wanted a rematch.......but this was not a "duck-job". Politics and timing got in the way, to say nothing of George falling off the face of the planet for about a year.