Is williams the most fear mandatory in boxing????

[Bozo_no no]

I'm not saying he shouldn't fight Williams, I agree he should. I also agree that by not fighting him, he is hurting himself more than helping but I don't see how all of a sudden it makes Floyd look at him as being legit enough for a fight. **** Floyd claims he doesn't even know who Williams is.

A lot of people have said this, and the problem remains the same:

You can't say it doesn't help him to fight Williams because his name isn't big enough and then say it's justified for him to take on a LESSER name in Clottey.

It makes no sense for Margarito to say a Williams fight does nothing for him and then turn around and take a fight that does even less for him.

Williams is one of the hottest prospects in the sport, and certianly at Welterweight. His back to back showings on HBO make him a guy with a lot of buzz. That's a good thing for Margarito in an opponent in every way. Unless he's fighting Shane Mosley instead, there's no excuse for him not to be fighting Paul Williams.

When you add the fact it's his mandatory fight, it makes it even more suspect.

[AllEyesOpen]

If Williams has the potential that alot believe he does, & I tend to agree, then why would Margarito take a chance at a lose once this guy rounds out his skills & becomes a real threat, he could beat him now in my honest opinion. Margarito should have jumped on this fight cause hype or not to beat someone alot of people think is the next big name in boxing would get him alot of attention. I personally don't think that much of Williams, just that he's got a lot of potential, but this fight always seemed to make alot more sense for Margarito, dont know why he didn't take it.

[Guest]

Clottey isn't as green as williams and he is more established at this point in his career. I think Williams is very talented with a lot of potential but he's still a little green. What makes Williams different than when Margarito fighting Cintron. Everyone says that Cintron was green when at the time he was considered one of the promising young welters. I'm not saying he wasn't but what makes williams more legit? How does fighting Williams all of a sudden give Marg more credibility for a fight with Floyd?

They have about the same number of fights against about the same caliber of opposition. What makes Williams green and Clottey not green? How does avoiding your mandatory so that you will be forced to fight him early next year set you up for a big fight with any of the big names? It has nothing at all to do with Floyd Mayweather. Stop doing your Margarito impression by bringing him up when this is not even about him. Margarito had a choice to fight Williams in December and fight anyone he wanted early next year or fight Clottey now and then have to face Williams next. The only reason I can think of to skip Williams now is because Margarito just isn't ready for The Punisher...

[jai mari078]

They have about the same number of fights against about the same caliber of opposition. What makes Williams green and Clottey not green? How does avoiding your mandatory so that you will be forced to fight him early next year set you up for a big fight with any of the big names? It has nothing at all to do with Floyd Mayweather. Stop doing your Margarito impression by bringing him up when this is not even about him. Margarito had a choice to fight Williams in December and fight anyone he wanted early next year or fight Clottey now and then have to face Williams next. The only reason I can think of to skip Williams now is because Margarito just isn't ready for The Punisher...

You make good points, and I am not saying he shouldn't have fought Williams. I beleive he should have and I beleive by not fighting him hurts his case, but I also feel that even if he were to fight him andd win than people would say the same things about Williams as they said about Cintron when he beat him. At the time Cintron was a tough up and coming prospect with power and people were saying that he too had a bright future at the time. I agree he should have fought him, but it kind of seems like a lose lose for him. If he wins people are gonna say Williams was young and green and if he loses than he takes a step back. This scenario is more of a win win for William because if he wins that will boost him even more and he will have a win over a legit stron welter and if he has a good showing and loses than that is still positive for him. I am not making excuses for Margarito, because he should fight Williams but you can't say that doesn't make sense.

[cortdawg25]

They have about the same number of fights against about the same caliber of opposition. What makes Williams green and Clottey not green? How does avoiding your mandatory so that you will be forced to fight him early next year set you up for a big fight with any of the big names? It has nothing at all to do with Floyd Mayweather. Stop doing your Margarito impression by bringing him up when this is not even about him. Margarito had a choice to fight Williams in December and fight anyone he wanted early next year or fight Clottey now and then have to face Williams next. The only reason I can think of to skip Williams now is because Margarito just isn't ready for The Punisher...

Exactly, people here get it confused. margo doesn't hate Floyd, this isn't a grudge match or nothing personal. margo wants that payday and sees Floyd as the most likely to give it to him. If that is so, why is he not fighting his mandatory right away to clear way for the better fights? I think he has wrote a check with his mouth that his a$$ can't cash.

[cortdawg25]

You make good points, and I am not saying he shouldn't have fought Williams. I beleive he should have and I beleive by not fighting him hurts his case, but I also feel that even if he were to fight him andd win than people would say the same things about Williams as they said about Cintron when he beat him. At the time Cintron was a tough up and coming prospect with power and people were saying that he too had a bright future at the time. I agree he should have fought him, but it kind of seems like a lose lose for him. If he wins people are gonna say Williams was young and green and if he loses than he takes a step back. This scenario is more of a win win for William because if he wins that will boost him even more and he will have a win over a legit stron welter and if he has a good showing and loses than that is still positive for him. I am not making excuses for Margarito, because he should fight Williams but you can't say that doesn't make sense.

That makes sense, i understand what your saying, but what i'm saying is he is not helping himself by taking on Clottey when he is gonna have to face his mandatory anyway. If he would just save face and say, I need a tune up for being inactive, instead of this most feared mess, I wouldn't trip as much on him fighting Clottey.

[jai mari078]

That makes sense, i understand what your saying, but what i'm saying is he is not helping himself by taking on Clottey when he is gonna have to face his mandatory anyway. If he would just save face and say, I need a tune up for being inactive, instead of this most feared mess, I wouldn't trip as much on him fighting Clottey.

I can agree with that. Bottom line I feel Marg should fight Williams, and Floyd should fight Marg. I really don't think Floyd will ever fight Marg, because if he beats Baldy he won't fight again until next year and the only two fights he will be looking for is Shane and Oscar. You are probably gonna disagree with me here but Floyd din't go after Baldy until the Marg mess was over and Baldy beat Gatti. I really don't think he wanted to fight Marg and I feel he knew he was a dangerous opponent. It kinda worked out for him and helped him when Baldy won because than everyone is gonna say he is fighting the true champ, but that wasn't until after he turned down Marg. It just all kinda worked out for him because had Gatti somehow won I beleive that he just wouldn't have fought until next year and than he really would have had the heat on him because it would have made no sense to fight Gatti again. By Baldi winning kinda saved him in my eyes. it made him not have to fight Marg and gave him the excuse that now he is fighting the true champ. That is just my opinion though.

[Bozo_no no]

You make good points, and I am not saying he shouldn't have fought Williams. I beleive he should have and I beleive by not fighting him hurts his case, but I also feel that even if he were to fight him andd win than people would say the same things about Williams as they said about Cintron when he beat him. At the time Cintron was a tough up and coming prospect with power and people were saying that he too had a bright future at the time. I agree he should have fought him, but it kind of seems like a lose lose for him. If he wins people are gonna say Williams was young and green and if he loses than he takes a step back. This scenario is more of a win win for William because if he wins that will boost him even more and he will have a win over a legit stron welter and if he has a good showing and loses than that is still positive for him. I am not making excuses for Margarito, because he should fight Williams but you can't say that doesn't make sense.

I don't see how you can avoid what I said above and keep on about this.

With what you're saying, how does it make sense for him to then take a LESSER fight, which is what he's doing?

Your point has been said by a handfull of people, but when you say he won't get credit for beating Williams because he's green, how does it make sense to turn around and take a less meaningfull fight?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

What you're saying might carry weight if he'd turned down Williams and fought Shane Mosley, but that's not the case.

He turned down a Williams fight and took a lower ranked and lesser known fighter in Clottey.

[jai mari078]

I don't see how you can avoid what I said above and keep on about this.

With what you're saying, how does it make sense for him to then take a LESSER fight, which is what he's doing?

Your point has been said by a handfull of people, but when you say he won't get credit for beating Williams because he's green, how does it make sense to turn around and take a less meaningfull fight?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

What you're saying might carry weight if he'd turned down Williams and fought Shane Mosley, but that's not the case.

He turned down a Williams fight and took a lower ranked and lesser known fighter in Clottey.

I already adressed this with cortdawg if you would read back you would see that. RELAX TAMPAX. The issue has already been resolved and me and cort can respect each other opinions since your is pretty much the same.

[vB Martin]

it's funny how someone whose best win is against an over the hill shot fighter is suddenly considered to be "feared". let him fight a top 20 guy who isn't far past his prime and we can make a judgement then. Until then, he's just a good looking prospect.