Calzaghe had superstar potential... does he still?

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  • GEOFFHAYES
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    Calzaghe had superstar potential... does he still?

    Joe Calzaghe was off to the Barcelona Olympics where'd of lit up the games with his snappy flurries and sharp power punches and won the Gold in style, but got screwed out of it because the Welsh ABA felt he disrespected opponents the way he'd drop his gloves and tap opponents on the head, and Ali shuffles etc, and so screwing him out of the Olympics was kind of a punishment. Look how Amir Khan's career has taken off after his Olympic adventure, he was a household name in Britain before he even had one pro fight and Joe isn't even a household name in little Wales yet.

    Calzaghe won the British ABA's three years in a row at three different weights, in sparkling form, KD'ing every one of his opponents. It was clear he was something special. His last defeat (to date) had come when he was 17 in Prague at the Junior European Championships and was described to make Roy Jones Jr's loss to Park Si-Hun look fair by comparison!

    He turned pro under Mickey Duff, who described him as "the best British amateur to turn pro for about 10 years", despite having Naseem Hamed in his stable at the time. Calzaghe had it all - ****iness in abundance, good looks in abundance.. Calzaghe's attitude made Naseem Hamed seem humble by comparison and he was definately model-esque ala David Beckham.

    Duff spoke of getting Joe fights in Italy as well as Wales so that he had two money-markets, and of Joe winning world titles at three different weights from super-middle to cruiser. Joe's first 19 fights went untelevised. In the meantime, Naseem Hamed had jumped ship to Frank Warren's stable and with his fights live on ITV in '94 became a household name and star as Prince Naseem. If Joe had signed with Warren from the start, he had that superstar potential, without a doubt.

    Joe signed for Warren in the fall of '96, and when he fought Eubank to win his world title almost a year later it was only on British PPV and after midnight (Eubank had stepped in for Steve Collins at late notice, and they moved Eubank to the main event instead of Hamed) so not many saw it. And it was Eubank who made all the headlines and got all credit from the fight for being a good loser (the British public prefers a good loser to a good winner!), it wasn't the birth of Joe Calzaghe - it was just Eubank against an opponent, Eubank's return. It's unfortunate it had to be Eubank of all people he won the world title against, because he completely over-shadowed Joe as you'd expect (even despite losing). What he did to EUBANK was spectacular, flooring him spectacularly with the first punch he threw, if that was on ITV Joe would of been a star there and then.

    Joe turned down the chance to fight at Madison Square Garden on HBO in Dec '97 because he hadn't recovered in time from the Eubank fight. Then HBO were going to sign him and built him up to a Roy Jones fight if he put on a good performance against Reid, he broke his hand early on and was boo'd out the building. Then HBO were going to sign him and built him up to a Roy Jones fight if he put on a good performance against Starie, he was broke his hand early on and was boo'd out the building.

    So it's the year 2000 and nobody has a clue who Joe Calzaghe is (despite being one of the most talented at his profession on the planet), outside of die-hard British boxing fans. He finally found his 1996/97 form again though against Sheika, Woodhall and Veit due to seeing a specialist about his hand injury after the Starie fight and getting it sorted. But five years later and only now has he really reached potential superstardom, for one reason or another, one being that Jones Jr, Hopkins, Tarver etc weren't willing to come to Wales, others being that Joe wasn't willing to give up his world title and campaign in America.

    Can he still become a superstar? I think he can! Look at one of Joe's hero's Marvelous Marvin Hagler, he didn't become popular until the end of his career when he was well into his 30's. Joe's hero Sugar Ray Leonard has said that Joe still has superstar potential if he goes Stateside. In New York, there are a lot of Italian-American's who'd take to him, IMO. He can model underpants, aftershaves etc, get him up on billboards across Wales for starters.. he has a nice, straight nose because he's so ****ing good he's never been hit on it. I think his sheer ring skill and boxing flair Stateside would attract him plenty of attention, if they saw him in the flesh. He has a unique style with the punching technique he uses, something to seperate him from the rest. And he's a bonafide warrior who loves standing and fighting - which the American's love. He's on ITV1 these days, too.

    He can do a 'Hagler' with big fights against the Taylor's, Wright's, Tarver's, Hopkins's to finish his career and no unappealing mandatories inbetween. But Kessler would be the icing on the cake for his super-middleweight legacy because Joe has beaten all the best Brit's (Eubank, Reid, Starie, Woodhall) and all the best American's (Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy) and just lacks that elite European (ala Kessler) to top it off. Clinton Woods is another option, to become a two-weight world champion. Next summer, he can fight at the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff.

    It's all there for the taking. It's all in place IMO for him to become one of the all-time greats!
    Last edited by GEOFFHAYES; 10-13-2006, 07:41 PM.
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    i think joes still in his prime,probably better than he was a few years back,he nearly backed out of the lacy fight then went ahead 2 beat him so he will have alot more beleif and confidence in himself now

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      Didn't Micky Duff train Roy Shaw too? I'm sure I heard that name mentioned in his book.. anyway, Calzaghe should be more motivated than ever, as he said, he approaches every fight the same, like it could be his last.

      It's really possible for him to beat Joe Louis' record, and Rocky Marciano's undefeated record, but nobody can predict when a fighter will lose his qualities inside the ring due to age, seeing as he's been in the game since a young age, he could be out in the next couple of years or so, but that's just my assumption, and as I said, it's not predictable, and he proved that in his last performance.

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      • SHB
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        He's 34 but he's a young 34. It's pretty rare for the only wear and tear on a boxer to be in his fists!

        I suspect he's going to have to move up within the next year though - hopefully after a unification bout (assuming it's against Kessler, although he is pretty untested so could come unstuck against the experience if limited and declining Beyer).

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          Originally posted by SHB
          He's 34 but he's a young 34. It's pretty rare for the only wear and tear on a boxer to be in his fists!

          I suspect he's going to have to move up within the next year though - hopefully after a unification bout (assuming it's against Kessler, although he is pretty untested so could come unstuck against the experience if limited and declining Beyer).
          There was a documentary on him last night on British TV, he was weighing 172 last saturday, his fight being this saturday.

          He could fight at 168 for alot longer if he wanted, just pointing that out.

          But I doubt he will.

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            I heard he's usually 1 1/2 - 2 stone above the 12 stone limit normally, which I just think he'll have trouble shifting the longer he goes on. Saying that, he's been training for over 20 years ... and Hopkins managed to do it til his 40's. Who knows eh.

            I'd like to think he could make 25 defences. That would be one hell of an achievement regardless of what anyone thinks of some of his opponents. Although I do think he'll be fighting some more big names in the coming months and years.

            Saying all that, I'm always a bit nervous when the British press build up a fighter like this only to come unstuck to a lucky punch against some no-mark in the next fight. Hopefully his words about not overlooking Bika aren't just words.

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            • GEOFFHAYES
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              I've seen Bika and the guy is awkward, throws a lot of shots and can ****. He can't beat Calzaghe on points, but he has a punchers chance for sure..

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                Originally posted by SHB
                I heard he's usually 1 1/2 - 2 stone above the 12 stone limit normally, which I just think he'll have trouble shifting the longer he goes on. Saying that, he's been training for over 20 years ... and Hopkins managed to do it til his 40's. Who knows eh.

                I'd like to think he could make 25 defences. That would be one hell of an achievement regardless of what anyone thinks of some of his opponents. Although I do think he'll be fighting some more big names in the coming months and years.

                Saying all that, I'm always a bit nervous when the British press build up a fighter like this only to come unstuck to a lucky punch against some no-mark in the next fight. Hopefully his words about not overlooking Bika aren't just words.
                He's been around too long for that to happen I think, this isn't Amir Khan we're talking about, he's proved himself alot more, his build up is well-deserved.

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                • SHB
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                  Originally posted by Shanus
                  He's been around too long for that to happen I think, this isn't Amir Khan we're talking about, he's proved himself alot more, his build up is well-deserved.
                  So had Lewis. Everyone's always got at least a punchers chance, especially if you take your eye off the ball. This is probably the first time he's been seen as a "global" star, so it's going to be interesting to see how he copes with it.

                  Luckily for him the only person who looked like ruining his boxing career is now divorced from him! I don't think people can overestimate just how much of an impact that all had.

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                    Calzaghe is clearly a household name in wales.

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