Winky Wright: "I'm The Uncrowned Champion"

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  • SonnyG8R
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    #11
    Originally posted by Vanilla Gorilla
    Is this your first official post in the boxing forum ??? I've never seen you post anything about boxing. Anyways, what fight were you watching ? Winky fortunate ? Taylor clear winner ?

    Again...How did you come to the conclusion that Taylor was the clear winner ?
    Gee let's see. Maybe by watching the fight and scoring each round PROPERLY.
    Do you even know how a fight is supposed to be judged?

    Here is your first lesson dumbass.

    There are four categories of judging one should educate themselves in to be able to correctly score a fight. Those four are a) "effective" aggression, b) defense, c) ring generalship, and d) clean and hard punching. Each category counts equally when scoring each round.

    a) Effective Aggression

    The key to the first category is the word "effective." One may be going forward, trying to get at ones opponent, forcing them back, but not throwing punches, or missing badly. In order to be "effective" one must have success landing consistently while moving forward. It should be noted that the opponent, who is "out-boxing" or keeping the fight at a distance, can be the "effective aggressor" by initiating the punching exchanges.

    b) Defense

    A badly over-looked aspect of boxing, especially in scoring a fight. Defense is a part of combat. In boxing it is the ability to hit the opponent without being hit in return. Defense may include ducking, dodging, bobbing and weaving, parrying, blocking, slipping, and sidestepping, as well as effectively utilizing the clinch.

    c) Ring Generalship

    The person who dictates the tempo of the fight and controls the action in the ring is the ring general. The boxer who makes the other man fight his fight. If fighter A keeps the fight in ring center, and nullifies the "aggression" of fighter B he is the better ring general." Or if fighter B effectively cuts off the ring and forces fighter A to the ropes where he can go to work he then is the better ring general.

    d) Clean and Hard Punching

    This should be obvious, but it's not. Since many fans and sportswriters ignore the two previous categories they often fail to understand what is actually taking place in the ring. A "clean" blow is one that lands flush without being blocked by his opponent. But how many times has one heard an announcer "Oh what a left hook by so and so!" The problem is the punch landed on his opponent's glove and only made a loud noise and didn't score at all. Some blows are "partially blocked"; meaning it did not land with its full force. Such blows are not "clean" punches. Also it is not the amount of punches that are thrown the matters, but the amount of blows that land. Hard punching is important as the amount of damage a blow causes counts in the scoring. In the amateurs a knockdown is only as good as a jab, but in the pro's its worth much more. One hard right that staggers the opponent though is not worth ten hard jabs that snap back the opponent's head. Damaging blows and their value are difficult to assess and that is why boxing is subjective. However it should be noted that landing 3 or 4 punches that hurt an opponent in the last seconds of a round are not enough to make up for losing the first two and a half minutes of the round where he was out-boxed. After all the name of the game is boxing not slugging!



    And OBTW I have been here since 2004 NOOB and made 100's of posts in NSB and Boxing history. I don't post here as much now because it isn't as much fun with the NOOB ******s like you ruining the place.

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    • jack_the_rippuh
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      #12
      Taylor knows the fight could've gone either way. When asked does he think he won, all he can say is, "Man. I'm a fighter..."

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      • restless_438
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        #13
        Originally posted by !! Sonny !!
        LMAO!!! Nothing like listening to a loser whine. Winky was fortunate to get a gift draw. Taylor was the clear winner. This fight might be entertaining but it is next to meaningless.
        wow... you must be kidding, right??

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        • RAESAAD
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          #14
          Sonny is sounds like you have it down on how to score a fight...........Why the **** did you get it wrong than?

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          • Mishra100
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            #15
            Boxers very rarely say they lost when it is a close decision. The only time I see boxers say they lose is when it is a horribly one sided fight like Calzaghe vs Lacy. So you should just expect that is boxing... It really isn't that big of a deal.

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            • restless_438
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              #16
              Originally posted by !! Sonny !!
              Gee let's see. Maybe by watching the fight and scoring each round PROPERLY.
              Do you even know how a fight is supposed to be judged?

              Here is your first lesson dumbass.

              There are four categories of judging one should educate themselves in to be able to correctly score a fight. Those four are a) "effective" aggression, b) defense, c) ring generalship, and d) clean and hard punching. Each category counts equally when scoring each round.

              a) Effective Aggression

              The key to the first category is the word "effective." One may be going forward, trying to get at ones opponent, forcing them back, but not throwing punches, or missing badly. In order to be "effective" one must have success landing consistently while moving forward. It should be noted that the opponent, who is "out-boxing" or keeping the fight at a distance, can be the "effective aggressor" by initiating the punching exchanges. (Wright was landing very effective through all 12 rounds, while keeping Taylor off guard with his "effective aggresion")

              b) Defense

              A badly over-looked aspect of boxing, especially in scoring a fight. Defense is a part of combat. In boxing it is the ability to hit the opponent without being hit in return. Defense may include ducking, dodging, bobbing and weaving, parrying, blocking, slipping, and sidestepping, as well as effectively utilizing the clinch. (Wright blocked nearly all of Jermain's "power" shots)

              c) Ring Generalship

              The person who dictates the tempo of the fight and controls the action in the ring is the ring general. The boxer who makes the other man fight his fight. If fighter A keeps the fight in ring center, and nullifies the "aggression" of fighter B he is the better ring general." Or if fighter B effectively cuts off the ring and forces fighter A to the ropes where he can go to work he then is the better ring general. (Wright had Jermain in all four corners of that ring for nearly the ENTIRE fight)

              d) Clean and Hard Punching

              This should be obvious, but it's not. Since many fans and sportswriters ignore the two previous categories they often fail to understand what is actually taking place in the ring. A "clean" blow is one that lands flush without being blocked by his opponent. But how many times has one heard an announcer "Oh what a left hook by so and so!" The problem is the punch landed on his opponent's glove and only made a loud noise and didn't score at all. Some blows are "partially blocked"; meaning it did not land with its full force. Such blows are not "clean" punches. Also it is not the amount of punches that are thrown the matters, but the amount of blows that land. Hard punching is important as the amount of damage a blow causes counts in the scoring. In the amateurs a knockdown is only as good as a jab, but in the pro's its worth much more. One hard right that staggers the opponent though is not worth ten hard jabs that snap back the opponent's head. Damaging blows and their value are difficult to assess and that is why boxing is subjective. However it should be noted that landing 3 or 4 punches that hurt an opponent in the last seconds of a round are not enough to make up for losing the first two and a half minutes of the round where he was out-boxed. After all the name of the game is boxing not slugging! (Good point, how did Wright not take the clear cut decision..)

              And OBTW I have been here since 2004 NOOB and made 100's of posts in NSB and Boxing history. I don't post here as much now because it isn't as much fun with the NOOB ******s like you ruining the place.

              you know what the funniest thing about the above is? it's that you never once mentioned how Jermain Taylor used any of that in the fight vs. Wright...
              Last edited by restless_438; 10-10-2006, 01:39 PM.

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              • restless_438
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                #17
                Originally posted by RAESAAD
                Sonny is sounds like you have it down on how to score a fight...........Why the **** did you get it wrong than?
                LOL, that's the funniest part, after reading all of that slob (maybe he did the old, cut and paste), he only made a stronger case for Winky Wright..

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                • SonnyG8R
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                  #18
                  Here is the thing. Like taylor I can acknowledge that the fight was close. Most boxing fans seem to be incapable of admitting when a fight is close or couls have gone either way. It's always a complete robbery to them and they are so indignant that anyone could dare not give their fighter every round. That is your typical ****** biased boxing fan. i get into these debates all the time still about Leonard-Hagler. that was a very close fight that i think fairly went to leonard but i can admit it was very clkose and could have gone either way.

                  There have been some decisions that were so bad that they boggled the mind.

                  Taylor-Winky was not one of them. I, like many others thought taylor won a close decision. You can disagree, but just don't act like it was some outrageous travisty of justice. that just makes you look ******ed.

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                  • RAESAAD
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by restless_438
                    LOL, that's the funniest part, after reading all of that slob (maybe he did the old, cut and paste), he only made a stronger case for Winky Wright..
                    I know.....after I read all that I was thinking man who in the **** could have scored that fight for Taylor......It was one of Winks better performances of the past few years and he laid it all out and took it to the bigger,stronger man........and still no respect.

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                    • restless_438
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by !! Sonny !!
                      Here is the thing. Like taylor I can acknowledge that the fight was close. Most boxing fans seem to be incapable of admitting when a fight is close or couls have gone either way. It's always a complete robbery to them and they are so indignant that anyone could dare not give their fighter every round. That is your typical ****** biased boxing fan. i get into these debates all the time still about Leonard-Hagler. that was a very close fight that i think fairly went to leonard but i can admit it was very clkose and could have gone either way.

                      There have been some decisions that were so bad that they boggled the mind.

                      Taylor-Winky was not one of them. I, like many others thought taylor won a close decision. You can disagree, but just don't act like it was some outrageous travisty of justice. that just makes you look ******ed.
                      The media ringside for this fight was hardly 50/50 on who they thought won... let them do it again, and the hell away from Arkansas this time..

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