What if valuev learns to throw effective combos?

[Kid Achilles]

He can let his hands go a bit more than Rahman though, as his chin is better. That's the thing about Rahman, the guy can punch but he doesn't. Sometimes it's a good idea, to protect his vulnerable chin (maybe he has flashbacks to the Lewis rematch), but many times he ****s himself over. He could have really let Toney have it in their fight if he let some serious right hands rip, but was content to just throw arm punches that had nothing on them. Then again, maybe it was a good strategy to not allow Toney to counter. Quantity over quality.

Still if he was going to go that root, why not stick to the jab when it was working?

That's another difference between Valuev and Rahman. Valuev consistently uses the jab but Rahman often abandons it. But it's good sound advice you just gave I think, Valuev should not have any dreams of emulating Tyson or Joe Louis. He needs to stick to the 1-2. He is just too large to fight like that. He should watch footage of other giants like Carnera and Willard, who all used the jab and cross and the uppercut on the inside. Willard particulary had a nasty uppercut. Killed a man named William Young with it, broke his neck with one uppercut.

I'd like to see Valuev work on that uppercut even more. Big men like that can get some sick leverage with that punch. Keeps smaller guys thinking twice about moving inside.

[AREALFIGHTER]

He can let his hands go a bit more than Rahman though, as his chin is better. That's the thing about Rahman, the guy can punch but he doesn't. Sometimes it's a good idea, to protect his vulnerable chin (maybe he has flashbacks to the Lewis rematch), but many times he ****s himself over. He could have really let Toney have it in their fight if he let some serious right hands rip, but was content to just throw arm punches that had nothing on them. Then again, maybe it was a good strategy to not allow Toney to counter. Quantity over quality.

Still if he was going to go that root, why not stick to the jab when it was working?

That's another difference between Valuev and Rahman. Valuev consistently uses the jab but Rahman often abandons it. But it's good sound advice you just gave I think, Valuev should not have any dreams of emulating Tyson or Joe Louis. He needs to stick to the 1-2. He is just too large to fight like that. He should watch footage of other giants like Carnera and Willard, who all used the jab and cross and the uppercut on the inside. Willard particulary had a nasty uppercut. Killed a man named William Young with it, broke his neck with one uppercut.

I'd like to see Valuev work on that uppercut even more. Big men like that can get some sick leverage with that punch. Keeps smaller guys thinking twice about moving inside.

exactly like I said the uppercut would be a devestating weapon for valuev

[Left2body]

You have a great point but why should valuev not focus on develpoing that timing look how much he has improved who is to say he cannot. The man is dedicated he will round out well. I will also throw this in there look at his wins since 2004 that is one of the best lists of any HW. Granted none were world betters but made up of good fighters. Former olympions europian champs contenders and a world champ not bad for an ungifted brute me says.

I'm not saying he wont be a champion or doesn't have the ability. Its just that like Achilles said he wont have the fluid combinations of a Louis, Tyson or Evander. He wont look as smooth and natural as Bowe or Lewis but his other physcial attributes in such aboundance I dont think that he should even try.

Stick with the 1-2 and develope a counter upper cut and he will hold his own against the generation of HW's.

[AREALFIGHTER]

I'm not saying he wont be a champion or doesn't have the ability. Its just that like Achilles said he wont have the fluid combinations of a Louis, Tyson or Evander. He wont look as smooth and natural as Bowe or Lewis but his other physcial attributes in such aboundance I dont think that he should even try.

Stick with the 1-2 and develope a counter upper cut and he will hold his own against the generation of HW's.

your absolutly right he will not but I think he can learn enough to have some success and like kid and I said an upper cut could be a wicked counter for him or comming in off the jab. Everything you said was true I just think he can learn enough to have some success with timeing he just needs to develop more punches to use.

[Kid Achilles]

One thing is for sure, he hasn't reached his potential yet and he will in the next year or so. I for one am excited at the prospect of seeing him prove his skills against a Brewster, Toney, or Lyakhovich. The guy is simply better than advertised, that's for sure.

[Abe Attell]

Well just imagine if young George Foreman was actually taught to box and throw a proper punch, though I am not sure what a "proper" punch is, since as long as it gets the job done, that's all you need...

I wonder if the boxing Gods just give a fighter one weakness each...for George, "Thou Shall not be able to use thy legs to have extra power, nor have the ability to box properly"

[AREALFIGHTER]

Well just imagine if young George Foreman was actually taught to box and throw a proper punch, though I am not sure what a "proper" punch is, since as long as it gets the job done, that's all you need...

I wonder if the boxing Gods just give a fighter one weakness each...for George, "Thou Shall not be able to use thy legs to have extra power, nor have the ability to box properly"

Good post and incite into boxing history.

[Abe Attell]

Good post and incite into boxing history.

I don't know if you are being sarcastic, but my theory doesn't always work:
I am trying to figure out what the Boxing Gods didn't give Sugar Ray Robinson, lol

Maybe forcing him to move up to fight the middleweights instead of being able to fight as a welterweight, I don't know

[Kid Achilles]

Robinson had it all. I guess you could say his chin could possibly be better, but even it was good enough to the point where it was a strength, not a liability.

I suppose you could argue that Robinson could have had more physical strength in the clinches against a LaMotta type opponent.

But honestly, Robinson really had it all, or closer to "it all" than anyone else, Roy Jones included.

[Abe Attell]

Robinson's chin??? first time I heard that...the guy was a welterweight who fought at middleweight because nobody would give him an opportunity for a while at 147