What if valuev learns to throw effective combos?

[AREALFIGHTER]

I think that would strike fear into the divison. He has a good base fighting behind a solid jab, but if he could put punches together he could be somthing. I like the guy he has a good story and seems like a humble genuine person. He has progressed so fast in just the last few years and will continue to improve. Hopefully fighting outside germany will force him to work harder than ever as he does not have the protection of home although he does have king and that could make things interesting. I also think his handlers have done a great job moving him along. yes he is fighting the becks and barrets of the world but niether is a tomato can and have been contenders. Should he be fighting better fighters since he is the champ, yes. As we know, however, he had no amature career to speak of and is learning on the job and has really only statred to hone his craft recently. I think we can give him somewhat of a break. He will coninue to improve and fight better as he goes along.

[cupcrazy01]

I agree that he will improve, but anyone can learn to throw combos. However, some don't have the talent to throw effective combos. And Valuev may be too slow (those arms are so long, it will take a while to throw punches no matter what his talent) to throw combos effectively. This is why he sticks with the jab-right hand offense.

That, and of course, possible stamina issues would prevent him from throwing what he would consider too many punches.

When/if he ever gets put in there with someone like Liahovich or Brewster or someone who will throw often, he will be in an entertaining fight because he will have to throw alot to keep those kind of fighters off him.

[Kid Achilles]

Valuev is underrated from what I've seen. He is coming into himself more and learning how to be as effective as he possibly can be. I think it will take a Wlad, Brewster, or Lyakhovich level guy to take him out. I think he would outpoint Toney if he kept strictly to the outside and smothered him on the inside.

[AREALFIGHTER]

I agree that he will improve, but anyone can learn to throw combos. However, some don't have the talent to throw effective combos. And Valuev may be too slow (those arms are so long, it will take a while to throw punches no matter what his talent) to throw combos effectively. This is why he sticks with the jab-right hand offense.

That, and of course, possible stamina issues would prevent him from throwing what he would consider too many punches.

When/if he ever gets put in there with someone like Liahovich or Brewster or someone who will throw often, he will be in an entertaining fight because he will have to throw alot to keep those kind of fighters off him.

Look at it this way if he can find a good effective distance to through repeted 1,2 or jab hook he would be effective. Range and straight punches off the jab an uppercut while stepping forward would be good stuff. Yes he is slow but he used to be slower.

[Left2body]

I agree that he will improve, but anyone can learn to throw combos. However, some don't have the talent to throw effective combos. And Valuev may be too slow (those arms are so long, it will take a while to throw punches no matter what his talent) to throw combos effectively. This is why he sticks with the jab-right hand offense.

That, and of course, possible stamina issues would prevent him from throwing what he would consider too many punches.

When/if he ever gets put in there with someone like Liahovich or Brewster or someone who will throw often, he will be in an entertaining fight because he will have to throw alot to keep those kind of fighters off him.

Yep, I have to agree with Cupcrazy on this one. Sometimes a fighter just has the timing and feel for it i.e. Toney, PBF and Zab who all grew up in gyms. You can learn to throw combo's but the timing of when to throw them and the natural flow of combo's is not something I think that can be taught.

The scarier "IF" hypothesis is what IF JT had anywhere near heavyweight power? Even with his small frame, limited height and reach he has been At the Very Least Competitive against some of the best the division has to offer. How many of those clean shots could today's heavyweights eat if Toney even had the power of an Evander?

[Kid Achilles]

Too many fans concentrate on speed, because it looks impressive, but you don't need it. Schmeling was slower than Louis, Braddock was slower than Baer, Douglas was slower than Tyson and Baldomir was slower than Judah. If you can time your opponent and figure their style out to counter them, speed doesn't amount to a lot.

I'll take timing and good reaction time and skill over handspeed anyway.

[AREALFIGHTER]

Valuev is underrated from what I've seen. He is coming into himself more and learning how to be as effective as he possibly can be. I think it will take a Wlad, Brewster, or Lyakhovich level guy to take him out. I think he would outpoint Toney if he kept strictly to the outside and smothered him on the inside.

you still impress me with your insite good stuff. It would be so hard for anyone to KO him because he is so tall and they would have to punch up which saps power not to mention he probly has a rock solid chin. You are very right in that he can box at a distance good enough to win fights, I would like to see him let his hands go more. I don't think stamina will be as big of a problem for him as other fighters because if he gets tired he is just going to lean in on them and while he is recovery his opponent is trying to get 320 pounds off them.

[Left2body]

Too many fans concentrate on speed, because it looks impressive, but you don't need it. Schmeling was slower than Louis, Braddock was slower than Baer, Douglas was slower than Tyson and Baldomir was slower than Judah. If you can time your opponent and figure their style out to counter them, speed doesn't amount to a lot.

I'll take timing and good reaction time and skill over handspeed anyway.

Yep timing can beat speed if you have the skill but from what I've seen of Valuev is that he doesn't have it. Look at Rahman who has some physcial talent but looks like a robot. I think the best way to go for him would be to develope the 1-2 and fight like a Rahman and allow his reach and height to work for him.

[psychopath]

IF????? Well that's a very big if dude.

But for the sake of arguement, if the guy learns how to throw "effective" combos, he'll retire undefeated.

Nobody has beaten the guy yet even if he has a lot of flaws at present, add the "effective combos" in his arsenal and he'll be sending a lot of fighters to the hospital or permanent retirement.

[AREALFIGHTER]

Yep timing can beat speed if you have the skill but from what I've seen of Valuev is that he doesn't have it. Look at Rahman who has some physcial talent but looks like a robot. I think the best way to go for him would be to develope the 1-2 and fight like a Rahman and allow his reach and height to work for him.

You have a great point but why should valuev not focus on develpoing that timing look how much he has improved who is to say he cannot. The man is dedicated he will round out well. I will also throw this in there look at his wins since 2004 that is one of the best lists of any HW. Granted none were world betters but made up of good fighters. Former olympions europian champs contenders and a world champ not bad for an ungifted brute me says.