Only in Germany..........!!

[VanesBoxing]

Only in Germany...

an amazing fight that will be remembered for years to come.

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[Novirasputin]

You started out completely oblivious to the fact you had the rule mixed up and said if I pointed out where the correct rule was you'd admit you were wrong.

I posted the correct rule 4 times before it sunk in, and then you compeltely changed what you thought happened to try and sink it up with the injury rule.

There is no argument here.

You were wrong, it was pointed out, and you've been verbally squirming around like a child now for pages and pages.

There was no injury that was caused specificly by the foul. Thus, the two point deduction that applys to injuries caused by intentional fouls DOES NOT apply.

Again, all you're doing now is embarassing yourself.

You don't know that there was no injury. You are assuming this.
You didn't post a correct rule you posted a rule that partly relates to either Dq's or deductions. There is no middle ground unless the guy leads with his head and its an unintentional foul that causes injury.


Sorry you are not correct no matter how much you want to think this.

[Bozo_no no]

You don't know that there was no injury. You are assuming this.
You didn't post a correct rule you posted a rule that partly relates to either Dq's or deductions. There is no middle ground unless the guy leads with his head and its an unintentional foul that causes injury.


Sorry you are not correct no matter how much you want to think this.

You don't assume there is an injury. That's just plain ******.

The reff stated the injury to his mouth was NOT from the headbutt. There was NO mention of any other injuries.

You're making it up and suggesting the possibility because you can't admit you were wrong.

And this is now instance #7 of me pointing out you quoted a rule from the wrong section. This couldn't be anymore simple. An automatic point deduction occurs only when an injury stems from the intentional foul.

THIS WAS NOT THE CASE HERE.

There was no noted injury. Thus any deductions are to be relative to the severity of the foul itself.

It's a different rule, for a different situation.

You calimed you couldn't see a difference at 1st. When you realized there was one you (in a small minded fashion) started crying about a mystery injury caused by the butt.

Come off it. This is a complete comdey show now.

You're outright wrong, and it's been proven over and over.

[Novirasputin]

You don't assume there is an injury. That's just plain ******.

The reff stated the injury to his mouth was NOT from the headbutt. There was NO mention of any other injuries.

You're making it up and suggesting the possibility because you can't admit you were wrong.

And this is now instance #7 of me pointing out you quoted a rule from the wrong section. This couldn't be anymore simple. An automatic point deduction occurs only when an injury stems from the intentional foul.

THIS WAS NOT THE CASE HERE.

There was no noted injury. Thus any deductions are to be relative to the severity of the foul itself.

It's a different rule, for a different situation.

You calimed you couldn't see a difference at 1st. When you realized there was one you (in a small minded fashion) started crying about a mystery injury caused by the butt.

Come off it. This is a complete comdey show now.

You're outright wrong, and it's been proven over and over.

There is no way that Neumann can know what kind of an injury is caused by a butt to the back of the head.
and neither can the doctor
they can only ASK the fighter if he can continue. THIS IS A VERY GRAY AREA ESPECIALLY due to the circumstances.

OF course he will say no (due to the jaw) thinking he will either go via Decision or DQ.

The ref deemed the injury was not severe enough to DQ and that AA could continue
so he had to continue
but as i said if the fighter says he can't continue, acting like he is concussed or whatever,
THere is no choice there. The doctor can't check teh concussion right there, and they can't claim AA is lying because there was an intentional and clear foul to the back of the head.

The fighter on the recieving end claiming an injury BY DEFAULT invokes the rule
which is why the IBF supervisor and the ref decided to take the two.

Unfair?
Yes of course because AA was probably playing off (smartly too if he had a broken jaw and could come out of it via DQ 5 ) and there was no severe injury

but Miranda screwed himself.

[Bozo_no no]

There is no way that Neumann can know what kind of an injury is caused by a butt to the back of the head.
and neither can the doctor
they can only ASK the fighter if he can continue. THIS IS A VERY GRAY AREA ESPECIALLY due to the circumstances

It's black and white.

Intentional foul that causes injury

Intentional foul that does not cause injury.

The only injury to Abraham was noted as being caused by a punch by the referee himself.

The Headbutt was not severe and did not cause injury.

You were wrong, and were quoting the wrong rule. After several pages of denial, you changed your story and started to insinuate there was an injury.

The fact you flip flopped alone illustrates how desperate you are to avoid admitting you were wrong.

You were reading the wrong rule, and were speaking from ignorance. Deal with it and move on.

[Googler]

At the end of the day:

1) Abraham is still the undefeated World Champ
2) Whoever saw the fight knows that Abraham is more powerful
3) Abraham showed that he has heart
4) All the haters can get as mad as they want. I dont give a ****. Abraham is still the undefeated middleweight champion of the world!!!

[Novirasputin]

It's black and white.

Intentional foul that causes injury

Intentional foul that does not cause injury.

The only injury to Abraham was noted as being caused by a punch by the referee himself.

The Headbutt was not severe and did not cause injury.

You were wrong, and were quoting the wrong rule. After several pages of denial, you changed your story and started to insinuate there was an injury.

The fact you flip flopped alone illustrates how desperate you are to avoid admitting you were wrong.

You were reading the wrong rule, and were speaking from ignorance. Deal with it and move on.

You must deal with the fact
that after an intentional foul Abraham has the law on his side so to speak.

Asked if he can continue and what the reason was the obvious insinuation was
the headbutt was the cause and he is too "dazed" or concussed or whatever to continue.

As i said that is the notion of implicit injury on a foul that is blatant.
They had no choice to deduct the two points.
You fail to see this and act as if you are correct. You are not that is the truth of the matter.

[vze2hhvj]

I have to agree, Fights that take place in euro are so one sided when it comes to thier fighters, The ref knew his Jaw was broken by th 8th round, he saw the bloody mouth and never stopped the fight. If they were so sensitve about the low blows why not about the boxers health. and NO DEDUCTIONS on holding! incredible the guy coasted to the fight holding from the 6th round on! and he wanted to quit in th 4th round when he thought the fight would go to the cards , dam quitter; just listen to the dialog, the ref was told he wont fight. then the ref made the statement "the head butt was to the head not the mouth", and it would be ruled a tko, then after he heard that he said im fine now i can fight. AND since when does a fighter get worked on by a doctor! drying up his mouth that would never happen here, a doc will look and give his vertdict, they were try to stop the mouth bleeding before they set him off again. ONLY IN EUROPE hahahaha.

[Pantera2000]

At the end of the day:

1) Abraham is still the undefeated World Champ
2) Whoever saw the fight knows that Abraham is more powerful
3) Abraham showed that he has heart
4) All the haters can get as mad as they want. I dont give a ****. Abraham is still the undefeated middleweight champion of the world!!!

The only thing true is that Abraham is still the offical undefeated IBF World Champ. Anyone who saw the fight (even you and Vanes can't argue) that the ref screwed Miranda. If the same fight happened in America with out the control of Sauerland having everyone in his pocket, the result would have been TKO for Miranda in Rd 5.
And even if they allowed the fight to continue regardless of the doctors and Abraham decision to stop, Miranda would have won the UD easy.

Abraham is a warrior to continue, but he did NOTHING to win the fight. He will never lose in Germany if he fights again. Bring his ass to America without the German ways and he will get destroyed.