I was dissapointed with Arthur Abraham

[restless_438]

He wasn't constantly backing Miranda up, but when he did unload, he hurt him several times. Miranda was the aggressor throughout however he was hitting the gloves and missing for the majority,whilst landing some good shots in between. The right hand that cracked arthur's jaw was awesome, but damn Edison is the dirtiest bastard i have ever seen.

That too, everytime he'd get Miranda in trouble with a shot, Miranda would be back-trailing. Miranda is a pressure fighter who's constantly moving into his opponents. Abraham's style in this fight was made for that.

[El Jesus]

You still don't get how his style works? You don't have to win a fight by walking an opponent down.

On how you couldn't see him effectively drawing in Miranda and countering, i'm speechless, cause that's almost exactly what Abraham did. It was almost more "waiting to attack 2nd", than countering IMO. But nonetheless, effective.

I just don't see how you missed it..

It wasnt that effective to me, but its just my opinion. I respect that this is how you see it, however i dont see it that way. I felt Miranda did land some body shots here and there, and just looked more busy for 2 minutes on average each round. I just wasnt impressed, when you throw no jabs, nor do you set up your punches well, Im not impressed by that. Even Vic Darchinyan who throws alot of Haymakers still sets them up in percise fashion, i didnt see that from Abraham.

Abraham landed clean, but landing 5 or 6 clean shots, while sitting on the ropes for most of the round isnt that effective, then he got his jaw broke, and he was looking winded even before then. Bottom line i wasnt that impressed.

[El Jesus]

People have said to me on this forum that im pretty good at seeing styles. That style that Abraham was using wasnt that great to me because he was very inactive to me, and had no jab to set anything up. Miranda kept his hands so low all the time, it was as if he was asking to get hit flush and be KO'ed. Counterpunchers counter far more often than that, it was as if Abraham would be like "OK IM JUST GONNA THROW SOME PUNCHES, THEN GO BACK IN MY SHELL".

Maybe hes not like this every fight, ive only seen one fight, so my opinion is only based on this fight and what i read in RING Magazine.

[adamk1304]

People have said to me on this forum that im pretty good at seeing styles. That style that Abraham was using wasnt that great to me because he was very inactive to me, and had no jab to set anything up. Miranda kept his hands so low all the time, it was as if he was asking to get hit flush and be KO'ed. Counterpunchers counter far more often than that, it was as if Abraham would be like "OK IM JUST GONNA THROW SOME PUNCHES, THEN GO BACK IN MY SHELL".

Maybe hes not like this every fight, ive only seen one fight, so my opinion is only based on this fight and what i read in RING Magazine.

He was pretty inactive in his last fight, but i think we were robbed of seeing the real abraham the other night due to his jaw.I'll try and find a link to the Ikeke fight for you, you'd probably be more impressed by that, however i dunno what your preferences are style wise.

[El Jesus]

He was pretty inactive in his last fight, but i think we were robbed of seeing the real abraham the other night due to his jaw.I'll try and find a link to the Ikeke fight for you, you'd probably be more impressed by that, however i dunno what your preferences are style wise.

I can get the Ikeke fight, ill find it and check it out. My preferences stylewise have nothing to do with what i think is effective, so long as your doing what works, thats fine.

[Pantera2000]

Those pics look to me like they are all on the beltline (1st is above the belt). Ridiculous if these were called for low blows!

Abraham has a great defense, especially protecting the head, so of course Miranda is not gonna hit a high percent of clean punches. The ref threaten Miranda he would be DQ'd early in the fight if he had any more 'low blows'. This took Miranda's gameplan away of hurting the body of Abraham where he is more open.

No doubt Miranda got screwed. The ref called the fight in RD 5 and than it was overturned by the promoter!!! Crazy **** people... I heard Germany was bad, but Sauerland is the ****ing dirtiest damn bastard I have ever seen. Makes King look like a freakin saint!

[adamk1304]

Those pics look to me like they are all on the beltline (1st is above the belt). Ridiculous if these were called for low blows!

Abraham has a great defense, especially protecting the head, so of course Miranda is not gonna hit a high percent of clean punches. The ref threaten Miranda he would be DQ'd early in the fight if he had any more 'low blows'. This took Miranda's gameplan away of hurting the body of Abraham where he is more open.

No doubt Miranda got screwed. The ref called the fight in RD 5 and than it was overturned by the promoter!!! Crazy **** people... I heard Germany was bad, but Sauerland is the ****ing dirtiest damn bastard I have ever seen. Makes King look like a freakin saint!

the referee didn't vall the fight at all, Abraham was asked if he wanted to continue and initially said no but then changed his mind on the advice of his trainer (albeit bad advice)

[El Jesus]

the referee didn't vall the fight at all, Abraham was asked if he wanted to continue and initially said no but then changed his mind on the advice of his trainer (albeit bad advice)

That was ****ed up, Ive never seen a reaction like that, Abraham should have been allowed to not continue if he didint want to, that was rediculous.

[adamk1304]

I should add that Abraham chose to continue after being advised that if he was to quit he would lose by technical knockout as opposed to the fight going to the cards or Miranda being disqualified.

[Novirasputin]

Those pics look to me like they are all on the beltline (1st is above the belt). Ridiculous if these were called for low blows!

Abraham has a great defense, especially protecting the head, so of course Miranda is not gonna hit a high percent of clean punches. The ref threaten Miranda he would be DQ'd early in the fight if he had any more 'low blows'. This took Miranda's gameplan away of hurting the body of Abraham where he is more open.

No doubt Miranda got screwed. The ref called the fight in RD 5 and than it was overturned by the promoter!!! Crazy **** people... I heard Germany was bad, but Sauerland is the ****ing dirtiest damn bastard I have ever seen. Makes King look like a freakin saint!

as somebody else replying to this said

Those were warnings not the PD's
BUT those were all definately below the belt and hence illegal.
they were not borderline at all.