Just watched Miranda-Abraham

[VanesBoxing]

I aint no hater, I like him and wish him well in his recovery. I thought he won the fight comfortably.

arite then.

when your guy wins the way Arthur did, you have your moment man, and you enjoy.

You wont see me comin in to ruin things for you. To each his own.

[Pantera2000]

Thats bull****.

If he didnt want to fight, he would go the corner and sit. No one could do ****. Arthur makes enough money to call the shots, he is no ****in up and comer prick to take orders the way you say.

Dont make up stuff, things that are from your perception.

It's the truth man! I got the damn tape to prove it. The ref looked at Abraham and said "Do you want to continue" and Abraham shook his head from left to right and said "No!". There was no bench to sit on! He should not even been in his corner!!

When I arrive back home I will try to edit the tape and upload the 5 minutes of bull**** that happened in round 5. Every word is clear as day. The ref stopped the fight and than was overruled by Sauerland! This is as corrupt as you can get. I hope Miranda files a protest. I doubt anything will come of it, nothing ever does.

[Red_Menace]

It's the truth man! I got the damn tape to prove it. The ref looked at Abraham and said "Do you want to continue" and Abraham shook his head from left to right and said "No!". There was no bench to sit on! He should not even been in his corner!!

When I arrive back home I will try to edit the tape and upload the 5 minutes of bull**** that happened in round 5. Every word is clear as day. The ref stopped the fight and than was overruled by Sauerland! This is as corrupt as you can get. I hope Miranda files a protest. I doubt anything will come of it, nothing ever does.

I agree that whole situation was pretty sketchy. I'm pretty sure he does say he does not want to continue at one point, but he's asked again and he agrees. Maybe he did not know he would have lost by TKO when he said no?

While I think the fight should have been stopped, and Miranda should have won by TKO, I didn't think the referee did as bad a job as a lot of people are saying. I don't agree with 2 points for the headbutt, but I definitely think 1 point should have been taken. It was very intentional, even though it didn't hit particularly hard. Miranda had been throwing well south from the beginning of the match, and was told to "keep them up" a few times. I definitely believe he deserved two of those three for sure, and I'm not all that upset about the 3rd. It was Miranda's fight to win, and he threw it away.

[bishop2006]

It's the truth man! I got the damn tape to prove it. The ref looked at Abraham and said "Do you want to continue" and Abraham shook his head from left to right and said "No!". There was no bench to sit on! He should not even been in his corner!!

When I arrive back home I will try to edit the tape and upload the 5 minutes of bull**** that happened in round 5. Every word is clear as day. The ref stopped the fight and than was overruled by Sauerland! This is as corrupt as you can get. I hope Miranda files a protest. I doubt anything will come of it, nothing ever does.

Abraham said he didnt want 2 continue thinking he would still be champ,but when the ref imformed him he would lose the title by TKO,he carried on,the ref asked u wana carry on and he nodded saying yeh

[cmason]

it was ottke/reid all over again. even with the points off no way abraham won that fight. he was very brave to carry on with a broken jaw but even before that he was doing very little to win rounds. it has to be said if that was in any other country miranda would have won the fight, in terms of boxing germany is the most corrupt country in the world. the headbutt was intentional and i've no problem with the 2 points for that, but what happened after was very fishy, abraham was shaking his head and pointing to his jaw like he was'nt going to carry on, and the time it took before they carried on was a disgrace. the "low blow" in the 11th was on the beltline and should'nt been a point off. even the rounds where miranda got deducted abraham did'nt win the round so it should have been 9-9 at worst. terrible.

[Pantera2000]

Abraham said he didnt want 2 continue thinking he would still be champ,but when the ref imformed him he would lose the title by TKO,he carried on,the ref asked u wana carry on and he nodded saying yeh

This may be true, his trainer and promoter were screaming at him in German to be a man and go back out there and defend your title when the ref asked him the 2nd time.

BUT... a few minutes before this the corner said he could not continue. The ring doctor said he can not continue, the ref tells the advisor "The kid can't go on, that's the fight". Now they discuss how to score the bout and moments later they all agree that Miranda will win by TKO.

Now all of a sudden everyone changes there mind (except the ring doctor) and the ref allows the fight to continue. That is about as ****ed up of anything I have ever seen in sports. Unreal!

[kayjay]

This may be true, his trainer and promoter were screaming at him in German to be a man and go back out there and defend your title when the ref asked him the 2nd time.

BUT... a few minutes before this the corner said he could not continue. The ring doctor said he can not continue, the ref tells the advisor "The kid can't go on, that's the fight". Now they discuss how to score the bout and moments later they all agree that Miranda will win by TKO.

Now all of a sudden everyone changes there mind (except the ring doctor) and the ref allows the fight to continue. That is about as ****ed up of anything I have ever seen in sports. Unreal!

Doesn't the fighter have the right to know what the outcome would be before he agrees to continue? I understand your problem though it seems dishonest to want to quit if it goes to the cards, but fight if it's a TKO.

[RAESAAD]

There needs to be a rematch..........

[Kid Achilles]

RAESAAD is correct.

[bigtime9]

RAESAAD is correct

Not in germany...and I don't think arthur fights him agan unless it's in germany.