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  • #51
    Vanes and Evilsaint (and I'm sure Googler will jump in)... Cmon guys. I know you are very pro Abraham, but get realistic.

    1st, the headbutt. This is Miranda's one mistake. I think it was more of a defensive move to break away from the holding, but I can accept it to be called intentional with maybe 1 point deduction. The ref actually gave Miranda just a warning and was ready to continue the fight until Abraham was allowed to walk to his corner and than he halted the fight IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BROKEN JAW AND SPLIT TONGUE! There was a devastating right hand in the middle of the 4th round that crushed Abraham's jaw. When Abraham enters the ring in the beginning of the 5th there is blood all over him and very apparent on his shorts. It gets very bad during this round.
    So don't be an idiot and say something ****** like the headbutt caused the break, otherwise nobody is gonna respect anything you say.
    A lot of questionable activity happened after the headbutt, I have posted this in another thread. Basically the fight was called off by both the doctor and the ref. The ref talked over the rules with the supervisor and the decision was given to give the fight to Miranda by TKO. Than Wilfred Sauerland overrules everyone and demands the fight continue (only in Germany!!)

    2nd thing... There is no doubt in my mind that if this fight was done in America (or at least fairly) the fight would have been stopped in Round 5.
    Even if the fight would have been allowed to be continued, Miranda would have won on points (all but 1-2 point deductions were complete BS, and the others are questionable, warnings are more common. To be fair, Abraham should have been warned and points deducted for and clinching and not letting go.).

    I give Abraham much much credit for hanging in there. This doesn't warrant him to get the win, but shows great heart.

    I was at the fight. Actually now on the plane on my way back to USA. Don't be surprised when you find out Abraham injuries are worse than the media is talking. I wish him the best, but would not be shocked if he never fights again (or at least takes a much longer recovery time). This would be a disgrace to boxing if this happens, but 100% fault of Abraham's promoter to risk his career like that.
    I talked with the doctors after the fight. They are basically Sauerland employees and they were upset. The main ring doctor who said to stop the fight said he had never seen a fighter with such a horrible injury be allowed to continue. Pretty sad...

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    • #52
      Heart of a LION, HEART OF A CHAMPION.

      Abraham will be back mid 2007 - GUARANTEED.


      Every Armenian around the WORLD is goin crazy about this VICTORY, he has made all of us stronger, his courage, his strengh - just unbelievable.

      As much as I understand what a medical risk it was, I am still amazed that Abraham had the final say, and he decided to go on, WARRIOR.

      If I didnt call him a Hero before, I DO NOW.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by VanesBoxing View Post
        Heart of a LION, HEART OF A CHAMPION.

        Abraham will be back mid 2007 - GUARANTEED.


        Every Armenian around the WORLD is goin crazy about this VICTORY, he has made all of us stronger, his courage, his strengh - just unbelievable.

        As much as I understand what a medical risk it was, I am still amazed that Abraham had the final say, and he decided to go on, WARRIOR.

        If I didnt call him a Hero before, I DO NOW.
        Easy man, I nearly puked then. He did you proud but don't go overboard.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Cletus Funk View Post
          Easy man, I nearly puked then. He did you proud but don't go overboard.
          who gives a **** what you did.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by VanesBoxing View Post
            Heart of a LION, HEART OF A CHAMPION.

            Abraham will be back mid 2007 - GUARANTEED.


            Every Armenian around the WORLD is goin crazy about this VICTORY, he has made all of us stronger, his courage, his strengh - just unbelievable.

            As much as I understand what a medical risk it was, I am still amazed that Abraham had the final say, and he decided to go on, WARRIOR.

            If I didnt call him a Hero before, I DO NOW.

            When asked by the ref he he wanted to continue he said "NO"!
            Than Sauerland and Wagner were screaming some **** to him in German. The ref stood back and let this happen. He than asked Abraham again if he wasnted to fight and Abraham shrugged his shoulders as if to say I have no choice.

            Abraham didn't have the final say, Sauerland did.

            He probably couln't even feel his jaw after awhile longer. Miranda couldn't hurt it anymore than he did.

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            • #56
              Be proud of him being a warrior, but call him a ***** for being a slave to his promoter. I hope this doesn't ruin his career.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Pantera2000 View Post
                When asked by the ref he he wanted to continue he said "NO"!
                Than Sauerland and Wagner were screaming some **** to him in German. The ref stood back and let this happen. He than asked Abraham again if he wasnted to fight and Abraham shrugged his shoulders as if to say I have no choice.

                Abraham didn't have the final say, Sauerland did.

                He probably couln't even feel his jaw after awhile longer. Miranda couldn't hurt it anymore than he did.
                Thats bull****.

                If he didnt want to fight, he would go the corner and sit. No one could do ****. Arthur makes enough money to call the shots, he is no ****in up and comer prick to take orders the way you say.

                Dont make up stuff, things that are from your perception.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by VanesBoxing View Post
                  who gives a **** what you did.
                  **** you. It was a boxing match, he didn't bring world peace.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by Cletus Funk View Post
                    **** you. It was a boxing match, he didn't bring world peace.
                    **** YOU.
                    Did I say he brought world peace??? Idiot.

                    Armenia has never had a boxer or an athlete of such caliber representing us on the world stage.

                    Why you gotta be such a ****in hater man, whats ur problem?? you dont like it, just shut up, why start talkin ****.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by VanesBoxing View Post
                      **** YOU.
                      Did I say he brought world peace??? Idiot.

                      Armenia has never had a boxer or an athlete of such caliber representing us on the world stage.

                      Why you gotta be such a ****in hater man, whats ur problem?? you dont like it, just shut up, why start talkin ****.
                      I aint no hater, I like him and wish him well in his recovery. I thought he won the fight comfortably.

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