Was Tyson-Douglas a robbery?

[TheEvilSaint]

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, period.

But can we actually consider it a robbery in a way due to that looong count?
Same goes for Brewster-Krasniqi for instance - Lamon won, but what if he had lost that fight, it would have been a robbery, wouldn't it?

brewster did an incredible thing that night: he beat the very very crooked odds. losing on scorecards and his opponent getting ridiculously long and unfair counts, brewster finally put krasniqi away with an awesome left hook. it was like brewster said "how you gonna rob me when my opponent is unconcious, *****?"

as for the tyson fight, i dont think it was a robbery, cuz 99.9% of the time, a knockout isnt a robbery, especially when you've been counted out. but the long count was very controversial, indeed. i dont know if the ref was paid off, or hes just a moron. but in the ring, the ultimate authority is the referee and if the ref gave a long count, theres nothing that can be done about it.

[paul750]

brewster did an incredible thing that night: he beat the very very crooked odds. losing on scorecards and his opponent getting ridiculously long and unfair counts, brewster finally put krasniqi away with an awesome left hook. it was like brewster said "how you gonna rob me when my opponent is unconcious, *****?"
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He did a good job of putting him away, but Krasniqi was beating him fairly up until he got caught. I'd favour Luan in a rematch, he wouldn't make the same mistake again. I actually think he's as good if not better than two of those ''champs'' [Lyakhovich and Valuev]

[Violent Demise]

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, period.

But can we actually consider it a robbery in a way due to that looong count?
Same goes for Brewster-Krasniqi for instance - Lamon won, but what if he had lost that fight, it would have been a robbery, wouldn't it?

Yes. Tyson should of won

[K-DOGG]

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, period.

But can we actually consider it a robbery in a way due to that looong count?
Same goes for Brewster-Krasniqi for instance - Lamon won, but what if he had lost that fight, it would have been a robbery, wouldn't it?

There was no long count. Buster kicked his ass, end of story.

[PATO 1]

douglas knew the referee's count he was fully aware of his souroundings (sp)

if the referee had of counted the right count he still wudda got up

[Yogi]

Check out the speed at which the ref was counting when Tyson was down (YouTube has both knockdowns, and you can check the clock on the bottom), and I'm sure that you'll find the count was at just about the exact same speed as the count given to Douglas.

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, period.

But can we actually consider it a robbery in a way due to that looong count?
Same goes for Brewster-Krasniqi for instance - Lamon won, but what if he had lost that fight, it would have been a robbery, wouldn't it?

Bull****. That was not a long count.
Tyson came in overconfindent, not motivated to train, partying on the town with Japanese girls while Douglas's mother had just passed away and was motivated to dedicate the fight to her.

There was no pain in the ring for Douglas that night. It was his night.

[Franko]

Like I said before, the "story" is well written:
Cus D'amato was Tyson's mentor, his guardian, his motivation...D'amato gave confidence in Mike by saying that the reason why he (Cus), continued to live on was because he wanted to see Tyson become the youngest Heavyweight Champion, to be a success...when D'amato died, he wasn't able to see his promise to the end, but Tyson, with the guidance from Rooney, fought on in his memory, to reach and fulfill Cus D'amato prophecy that Tyson would indeed become the younget Heavyweight Champion. After Tyson won the title(s), he had nothing else to prove, he had reached and fulfilled his promise to Cus, so his motivation was gone.

Douglas, started out as a fighter with little motivation for the fight game...he even gave fights away that he was winning...after losing fights he knew he should of won, and his baseketball future over, he devoted his time to boxing, geting in shape, and winning...the motivation in the background was his Mother...his Mother was everything to him, and he wanted to make her proud...when his Mother was worried about him fighting Tyson, Buster told his Mother not to worry, he was going to win...his Mother lit up with excitement and told her friends that Buster was going to win...Buster trained hard for the fight with Tyson, motivated to get into top shape, but something devastating happened, Buster's Mother would die and not get to see her son fulfill his promise...Buster was heart-broken, but his love for his Mother was so great, that the love would dull any Fear of fighting Tyson...he was as motivated as anybody could possibly be...

By the time fight time came, Tyson, having already fulfilled his promise, was nowhere to be found, while Buster, at one time had little motivation, showed up determined to please his departed Mother...One man was full, the other was hollow.

Excellent mate. Well written. It's just a shame that the version of Douglas that turned up against Tyson didn't turn up for the majority of his other fights. Wasted talent.

[scap]

That version of Douglas was one of the greatest fighters ever.

Dont get carried away that version of Douglas was not one of the greatest fighters ever BUT...I believe that the Douglas PERFORMANCE was one of the greatest PERFORMANCES of all time.

There is a difference...isnt there?

[Abe Attell]

Excellent mate. Well written. It's just a shame that the version of Douglas that turned up against Tyson didn't turn up for the majority of his other fights. Wasted talent.

"Wasted Talent"...agree, at least on a athletic/physical level.

Buster was to nice, he took after his loving mother...it was probably because he felt a bit like a failure from losing bouts he knew he should of won, he finally got his ass in gear...he had several solid wins leading up to Tyson...by the time he fought Tyson, his mother had died, and this hurt him...this gave him something he never used before, that extra something a boxer needs, the "Kill" button...It didn't matter who would of shared the ring with him that night, he was going for the kill, win or lose, he was going to give everything he had, in the honor of his mother...he probably was in so much pain inside that his release was to punish his opponent, something out of character. After the win, the pain was gone, he just wanted to be "Buster", the son his mother raised; he would revert back to who he truly was...the fight with Evander was for the money, and because he knew this is what you had to do, you had to lose the title in the ring, he was the sacrificial lamb.