Amigos - an uncompromising crowd/How did the judge have Barrios winning?

[Guest]

Yeah, maybe they got influenced by the crowd in the last fight?

[.::EnRiQuE::.]

Maybe him and Khan could get it on?

I'm not a big fan of Khan, but I'd have my money on him.

that wont happen until they're both established fighters. its still too soon. cuz whoever loses we would lose as a prospect and money maker.

[JOM'S]

I am not a fan of both fighter so I have no bias here but IMHO the fight was closer than what is being said ...

its true that Guzman was the better boxer and more accurate puncher, but at times he was too busy trying to LOOK GOOD rather the fight making the fight a lot closer in my eyes ...

this was my attempt to score the fight ...

I gave both guys 6 rounds each, now I know why judges receive so much sh_t from fans ... lol

Guzman 114 - Barrios 113
10 - 9
9 - 10
9 -10
10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 8
9 - 10
10 - 9
9 -10
9 - 10
10 - 9
9 - 10

[AP6]

no way did barrios win the fight, i was rooting for him by the way, guzman gave some rounds away but not enough to lose. i think i hAD the fight around 115-112 or 116-111.

Paez won't make it to the big stage. i had the fight a draw, it was very easy to score and if there was a few seconds left, paez would have been ko'd

Barrera fought the perfect fight. 115-113 is crazy, it wasn't even close
he adds another to the golden boy list of dominant fights this year
Hopkins UD tarver, DLH tko mayorga, Mosley tko vargas

[Guest]

As all my new threads today have a glitch preventing people from replying to them, then I thought I'd transfer this bull**** here instead:

Coming-Out Parties and Sour Aftertastes: Witter and Guzman's breakout showings

Some random, off-the-cuff bull**** I wrote about this week’s fights:


It’s always good to witness the breakout of overlooked boxing talent, and this weekend saw the emergence of not one but two such talents.

Junior Witter – a man with such a small fanbase even his own parents reputedly said "some kind of batty ting, mon – see what’s on the other side, mon" when his fight was being aired – finally made it to a second world title shot. After stepping into the breach with nine days’ notice against Zab Judah in 2000, Witter – who had never been beyond eight rounds before – stank out the joint and was condemned to pugilistic purgatory for the next six years. If stinking out joints was such a crime, then a recent unified Middleweight wouldn’t have got a title shot since 2003. However, without a name, Junior dwindled. His long overdue chance at redemption came last Friday with a vacant title shot against dangerous DeMarcus Corley.

Probably the most curious thing about Witter is the evolution of his power. Before the Judah fight he had a frankly feeble four TKOs in a 17 fight career against largely "learning" opponents. After facing Judah and facing tougher competition he spent the next six years KOing 83% of his opponents and building the reputation of something of a minor puncher. All this from the guy once dubbed "Naz with no power".

So, to the fight. After a fairly competitive first four rounds, Witter began to penetrate Corley’s psyche with what Larry Merchant would probably describe as "junk". Adopting an eccentric fencing stance and playing at statues for nearly half a minute of round seven, the ultimate fistic mind**** was taking the fight away from Corley where it counted – between his ears. Chop Chop’s tricky southpaw stance was also rendered impotent by a man who assumes southpaw AND orthodox stances something like thirty times a minute. The power came into play when Corley was first hurt in the fifth and bundled to the floor while holding on – one of two occasions where a KD could arguably have been called, and one of four occasions where Corley appeared to be in some discomfort.

By the end of the fight Witter was in total control, dictating the entire pace, while Corley – who insisted he had "applied pressure" – assumed the role of docile sparring partner. Where Witter goes from here remains to be seen, but the Vice President of the "Who Needs Him?" club can take some small solace in the fact that the man who hurt both Cotto and Mayweather never even caused him to break a sweat.

A similar event occurred on Saturday night on the Barrera card when Joan Guzman – who had squandered recently in the role of "perpetually waiting to challenge Scott Harrison", though at least had a buzz around him – effortlessly took Jorge Barrios’s title away from him. (The pedantic might note that Barrios’s title was already taken away from him, by virtue of the fact that he came in too heavy).

Though his 68% KO ratio proved he was no powderpuff, with Barrios’s only marginally higher, the fact that Guzman was moving up in weight and was known as the superior technician led many to believe that Barrios would be the puncher in the fight. In order to instantly destroy any illusions Barrios might have had of pushing him around, Guzman dutifully went out and gave Jorge a 90 second shellacking in the first round just to prove his point.

The fight continued in much the same vein as Guzman appeared to have "P4P" (that much overused phrase) written all the way through him, with a solid chin and the kind of on-the-ropes counterpunching that was so good it would see James Toney get ripped off on the scorecards. If Guzman’s workrate over twelve rounds is still marginally open to question (I gave a share of a single round to Barrios, and all of the twelfth where Joan didn’t really do anything) then precious little else is. At times Jorge looked grateful to have made it through to the final bell, and his supposed disbelief at not getting the verdict seemed more bravado on his part than anything more serious.

So two great breakout moments for two talented and overlooked fighters. What could possibly go wrong? Well, little... except a sour aftertaste in both. Interviewed in his dressingroom by SKY Sports, Corley gave the bizarre assertion that he believed he’d won "a split decision" against Witter. Worse still, he claimed – despite the fact that none of the judges OR the referee were from the British Isles – that he was the victim of a "hometown decision" and that Witter could only win "in the UK". Junior must have hit him harder than it was first believed, though such sore loser antics leave a bitter tang to a fight where Corley was virtually shut out from the fifth onwards.

As for Guzman, were it not for a questionable point deduction from Barrios in the sixth round (for an unintentional low blow) his masterwork virtual shut-out would have been declared a majority draw. Only a fortnight on from seeing James Toney get told he’d lost a split decision to crude Sam Peter, having to listen to two judges tell us it was a close, competitive fight – and a third somehow try and convince us that Barrios won EIGHT ROUNDS – is the kind of spectacle that could make one walk away from the sport.



THE BATTY COUNT:

1. Referee for the Guzman-Barrios bout, Vic Drakulich, translated all his instructions into Spanish. While talking about keeping shots above the belt he used the word "punto", meaning "point", in English. That’s "punto", and not, sadly, "****o", which is what his mumbled translation initially made it sound like and would have allowed me to make an incredibly puerile joke.

2. There’s perhaps little more joyful in the early stages of a boxing career than watching some overhyped novice with connections become unstuck against some poor cannon-fodder journeyman there to be knocked down. Such a thing happened to Jorge Paez Jr. when Derrick Campos didn’t bother to read the script. While I had Paez taking the first three rounds and thus being a legitimate points winner, Campos’s real misfortune was in not having ten more seconds in the round to finish off a completely glazed Paez. Wonderful fun, and if only such an event could happen to the similarly hyped Amir Khan in England. Sadly, men three natural divisions below Khan who work in the local car warehouse don’t tend to be concussive punchers.

3. A somewhat sad sight to see Barrera booed by his own countrymen while taking an awful-looking Juarez to school with his boxing on Mexican Independence Day. Rumours that a Mexican was on the beach during the Normandy landings whistling and saying "I want more action, Senors!" cannot be verified.

4. Keeping with the main event, and viewers may have been surprised to see Barrera go after Juarez when the final bell had sounded, only to be restrained by ref Joe Cortez. Rumours Marco was angered by Juarez whispering "beans are ****" to him in one of the few clinches again cannot be verified.

5. Worried viewers phoned in in their thousands to express concern that James Toney – walking in with Barrera – had developed the same skin whitening disease that had plagued Michael Jackson. Callers were assured that it was, in fact, Ricky Hatton, who had been on a strict diet.

6. Finally, the controversial scoring again continued with Barrera’s domination on the back foot going down on the records as another close (yet this time thankfully unanimous, and at the first time of asking) decision. No crappy joke to go with that one, so I’ll just point out that Winky and Floyd giggling looked like a right pair of batty boys and leave it at that.

[Shanus]

THE BATTY COUNT:

1. Referee for the Guzman-Barrios bout, Vic Drakulich, translated all his instructions into Spanish. While talking about keeping shots above the belt he used the word "punto", meaning "point", in English. That’s "punto", and not, sadly, "****o", which is what his mumbled translation initially made it sound like and would have allowed me to make an incredibly puerile joke.

2. There’s perhaps little more joyful in the early stages of a boxing career than watching some overhyped novice with connections become unstuck against some poor cannon-fodder journeyman there to be knocked down. Such a thing happened to Jorge Paez Jr. when Derrick Campos didn’t bother to read the script. While I had Paez taking the first three rounds and thus being a legitimate points winner, Campos’s real misfortune was in not having ten more seconds in the round to finish off a completely glazed Paez. Wonderful fun, and if only such an event could happen to the similarly hyped Amir Khan in England. Sadly, men three natural divisions below Khan who work in the local car warehouse don’t tend to be concussive punchers.

3. A somewhat sad sight to see Barrera booed by his own countrymen while taking an awful-looking Juarez to school with his boxing on Mexican Independence Day. Rumours that a Mexican was on the beach during the Normandy landings whistling and saying "I want more action, Senors!" cannot be verified.

4. Keeping with the main event, and viewers may have been surprised to see Barrera go after Juarez when the final bell had sounded, only to be restrained by ref Joe Cortez. Rumours Marco was angered by Juarez whispering "beans are ****" to him in one of the few clinches again cannot be verified.

5. Worried viewers phoned in in their thousands to express concern that James Toney – walking in with Barrera – had developed the same skin whitening disease that had plagued Michael Jackson. Callers were assured that it was, in fact, Ricky Hatton, who had been on a strict diet.

6. Finally, the controversial scoring again continued with Barrera’s domination on the back foot going down on the records as another close (yet this time thankfully unanimous, and at the first time of asking) decision. No crappy joke to go with that one, so I’ll just point out that Winky and Floyd giggling looked like a right pair of batty boys and leave it at that.

You're a funny bastard.

[Guest]

Cheers man, I try my best.

[BrooklynBomber]

Cheers man, I try my best.

YOU are a funny bastard, good read.

[Guest]

YOU are a funny bastard, good read.

[2OSouzaSuarez12]

There is talk of a rematch. I see no point in a rematch, and Barrios will have to make weight this time which I doubt he can do. But if it does happen, easy win for Guzman. He will adjust and do better where as Barrios only fights one way and it wasnt good enough. Guzman probably stops him if they fight again.