Barerra too shook to fight Pacquiao

[Neckodeemus]

you're not a nuthugger? well ok, but neither are you a true boxing fan. you only recognize boxers you root for and downplay their opponents in case your heroes got beat. belittling PAC's career and recent achievements will have most boxing experts laugh at you. the guy was a world title holder in 2 divisions prior to facing MAB. it was only his 2nd fight at featherweight when he faced MAB yet he gave him a thorough onesided beating.

So I must be a Marco fan, who thinks Morales can beat Paccers and who must have alternated rounds between cheeering for Marco and rooting for Erik when they fought.

Or maybe I'm a guy who thinks Manny can be out-boxed, who has seen him out-boxed and thinks a second fight will transpire, I'm not belittling Manny but take his achievements and compare them to Barrera's. People say Barrera has this big question mark over him, well Manny has two, he has to lead the trilogy with Erik and his fans have to accept that Marquez out-boxed him.

I've not belittled Manny, I've pointed out his recent form and compared him obejectively to Marco, maybe you feel he comes offf seond best in this respect, in which case you are belittling Manny.

[Neckodeemus]

The difference is Morales belived in his excuses and BArrera did not that why BArrera is a *****. If he actually believe it, he would have rematch Pac anytime.
Juarez first fight was close and Barrera does not want to leave any doubt and of course I believe he knows he can beat Juarez that's why he fought him again right away.

Pac-Man is a tough fight. Marco might be waiting for a sign that it is time to take Manny, then he will do so, boxing is about strategy and timing. If Marco does not fight Pac-Man again he will be judged badly, if he fights him and wins he can retire at the right time and it would be churlish to claim he is ducking anyone, he'd have avenged a defeat and retired on that.

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So I must be a Marco fan, who thinks Morales can beat Paccers and who must have alternated rounds between cheeering for Marco and rooting for Erik when they fought.

Or maybe I'm a guy who thinks Manny can be out-boxed, who has seen him out-boxed and thinks a second fight will transpire, I'm not belittling Manny but take his achievements and compare them to Barrera's. People say Barrera has this big question mark over him, well Manny has two, he has to lead the trilogy with Erik and his fans have to accept that Marquez out-boxed him.

I've not belittled Manny, I've pointed out his recent form and compared him obejectively to Marco, maybe you feel he comes offf seond best in this respect, in which case you are belittling Manny.

How the **** you have the nerves to used word staccato to described Pac and say you are not belittling Pac. You are an
oxymoron at best.

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Pac-Man is a tough fight. Marco might be waiting for a sign that it is time to take Manny, then he will do so, boxing is about strategy and timing. If Marco does not fight Pac-Man again he will be judged badly, if he fights him and wins he can retire at the right time and it would be churlish to claim he is ducking anyone, he'd have avenged a defeat and retired on that.

Tell that to amaru.

Like I said Barrera made those excuses 3 years ago and if he actually believed in his own excuses, he would have fought Pac anytime.

[amaru]

Barrera made those excuses 3 years ago and get this in your peanut brain, 3 years later his excuses were still excuses. In other words, he is a *****, he knows Pac would **** him up again.

The fight against JMM was draw, get your facts straight. and the judge admitted made a mistake and the rematch would have been great. PAc was willing to settle the score and JMM pussied out.

Think cognitively and use your frontal lobe, Barrera avenging his loss to Pac is not the same as Pac avenging his lossess to nobodies. We are talking about legacies here where greatness measured against great fighters.

before i get into this post, i have said in other threads that i want barrera to fight pacman again and have said that if he does retire without fighting pacman their will be questions over him, but lets get one thing clear, he will not be judged badly and when i say badly i mean that him no facing pacman will not take away ANY of his achievements he has done in boxing and his legacy will not be affected, his legacy will still be GREAT.

i swear pacman must be your dad or something, whats wrong have i hit a nerve, your startin to type insults now because you cant seem to have a debate over barrera and pacman, i can imagine you right now, smashin on your keyboard buttons, mad, dribbling and frothing at the mouth and sweating because im brinign up 2 losses that pacman has had and you still have not given me a reason why pacman has not avenged those defeats and answer me this when pacman lost to morales the first time why didnt he rematch him straight away??? seeems like pacman made those excuses and didnt rematch morales straight away he had to wait until he got softened up by raheem before takin on his leftovers

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before i get into this post, i have said in other threads that i want barrera to fight pacman again and have said that if he does retire without fighting pacman their will be questions over him, but lets get one thing clear, he will not be judged badly and when i say badly i mean that him no facing pacman will not take away ANY of his achievements he has done in boxing and his legacy will not be affected, his legacy will still be GREAT.

i swear pacman must be your dad or something, whats wrong have i hit a nerve, your startin to type insults now because you cant seem to have a debate over barrera and pacman, i can imagine you right now, smashin on your keyboard buttons, mad, dribbling and frothing at the mouth and sweating because im brinign up 2 losses that pacman has had and you still have not given me a reason why pacman has not avenged those defeats and answer me this when pacman lost to morales the first time why didnt he rematch him straight away??? seeems like pacman made those excuses and didnt rematch morales straight away he had to wait until he got softened up by raheem before takin on his leftovers

you're ****** muthaf, Unlike Barrera, Pac has every intention to validated his excuses. rematch has been slated and both have have their tuneups and Morales lost.

Like I said If Barrera won't fight Pac again, his legacy wil forever be tainted. yes he is great and HOF but how the **** can his fans explain all Barrera excuses against Pac and never have the guts to back it up.

[amaru]

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you're ****** muthaf, Unlike Barrera, Pac has every intention to validated his excuses. rematch has been slated and both have have their tuneups and Morales lost.

Like I said If Barrera won't fight Pac again, his legacy wil forever be tainted. yes he is great and HOF but how the **** can his fans explain all Barrera excuses against Pac and never have the guts to back it up.

are you dumb??? has barrera even RETIRED yet??? if he was retired i would be agreeing with you, but the fact that barrera is still an ACTIVE fighter means that he still has the opportunity to fight pacman. what is it dont you understand about this???

and why did pacman have a tune up fight rather than going into fight morales straight away?? look at you making rules and excuses to suit your dad pacman, you have said numerous times barrera should have rematched your dad immediately, not have a tune up or nothing, but rematch straight away, yet when your dad pacman has 1 tune up before fighting morales you think thats okay because he had intentions to back up his excuses and you still aint answered my original question......WHY THE HELL HASNT PACMAN REMATCHED THE OTHER 2 FIGHTERS HE LOST TOO!!!

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are you dumb??? has barrera even RETIRED yet??? if he was retired i would be agreeing with you, but the fact that barrera is still an ACTIVE fighter means that he still has the opportunity to fight pacman. what is it dont you understand about this???

and why did pacman have a tune up fight rather than going into fight morales straight away?? look at you making rules and excuses to suit your dad pacman, you have said numerous times barrera should have rematched your dad immediately, not have a tune up or nothing, but rematch straight away, yet when your dad pacman has 1 tune up before fighting morales you think thats okay because he had intentions to back up his excuses and you still aint answered my original question......WHY THE HELL HASNT PACMAN REMATCHED THE OTHER 2 FIGHTERS HE LOST TOO!!!

Tell me if Pac would gain anything even he rematch those fighters. Pac has trouble making the weight especially againts that Thai that's why he moved on. And that was the right move. A lot of great fighter loss to nobodies, that'a fact. Greatness is measured against elite competition, not some bums. The fact that Barrera made excuses when Pac annhilated him and not have enough balls to back it up so he is certainly scared.

You are ******, Barrera has the hands for that rematch to be made. If he was not a *****, the rematch would taken place regardless tuneups or no tuneups just like Pac and Morales.

[Neckodeemus]

We need to bear in mind that Manny was in the formative stages when he lost to Torrecampo and lost his final fight at Flyweight as he grew too big for the division.

I did point out that Paccers had had staccato recent form and that is true.

We'll have to see how it all pans out in the long run.

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Surely we should hold fire and see if Barrera takes the match late in his career and then judge him? There must a thousand strands all saying MAB ducked Paccers and will be harshly judged for it yet, on last check, both men are still active and a rematch is a fight away.

Barrera said he did not have a chance to prepare properly for Paccers and we know this to be true. Since that fight Marco has taken on Ayala and Morales plus annexed versus Peden and had a tough fight with Juarez then schooled him in a rematch.

In that time Paccers has fought Marquez (taken to school, humiliated and lucky to sc**** a draw), Morales (out-boxed and proven to be fairly pedestrian in fight I, beat a, frankly, flabby looking and worn Morales in fight II) and beaten Larios.

Since they fought Barrera is 6-0, Pacquiao is 4-1-1 and in the two black marks he was comfortably out-boxed for long periods. Barrera has added to his reputation and if Manny loses to Erik, as I feel he will, he may go down as a flash in the pan hype-monster who fought two genuine greats after they had knocked holes from one another and had very hard careers.

Both guys are very good and rematch is necessary but if anything, head to head aside, Barrera is the man who has hung better at higher class, Manny has had a staccato career and is not as invincible as his fans (fanatical to the extreme of not seeing he got comprehensively out-boxed by JMM) like to think.

Yeah Pac has staccato career , **** outta here.