Which Sugar has fought the best Opposition?

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  • Kimmy
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    #11
    Originally posted by GEOFFHAYES
    Robinson quite clearly.
    Absolutely. Pender, Maxim, La Motta, Turpin and Fuller does it for me. I`m not saying the quality of opponent were so much better, its the manner in which Robinson delt with them that`s the difference.

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    • GunStar
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      #12
      Originally posted by Shanus16
      Beating 10 B class hall of famers is nothing like beating 3 A class hall of famers.
      Make that 4 buddy!

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      • Parody
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        #13
        Where is Smokin'...im waiting for him to vote for Mosley

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          #14
          Originally posted by Parody
          Ray Leanard has a better Resume IMO...champion in five different weight classes, Beaten Duran Twice, Hearns, Hagler and Benitez.

          Overall Leonard fought better opposition/competition
          Yeah true, but this is 4 great fighters! 4 great fighters that he beat more times than they beat him! Don't get me wrong I'm a tremendouse fan of Leanards talents. But the fact remains he did'nt beat great fighters to become champion in all the weight classes! a GREAT ACHIEVER for sure but still does'nt compare with the true Suger man!

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            #15
            Originally posted by elgaringo
            Yeah true, but this is 4 great fighters! 4 great fighters that he beat more times than they beat him! Don't get me wrong I'm a tremendouse fan of Leanards talents. But the fact remains he did'nt beat great fighters to become champion in all the weight classes! a GREAT ACHIEVER for sure but still does'nt compare with the true Suger man!
            Leonard also had more skills then Robinson!

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              #16
              Originally posted by Parody
              Ray Leanard has a better Resume IMO...champion in five different weight classes, Beaten Duran Twice, Hearns, Hagler and Benitez.

              Overall Leonard fought better opposition/competition
              Robinson beat his opponents in much better style than Leonard did. Most people feel Hagler was robbed against Ray. Duran had already won over Ray Leonard and Hearns was robbed of a revenage win when they rematched.
              So, yes on paper5 Leonard looks better but in reality i.e anyone who had watched these fights, Robinson beat most of his opponents, Leonard was given a points dec. This is the difference!

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              • Parody
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                #17
                Here is the way I see it

                Leonard fought 4 people that were probably better than Robinson's 12 B level fighters.

                Marvin Hagler > Jake Lamotta, Fullmer, Basilio

                Hearns > Zivic, Angott, Gavilan

                Duran > Turpin, Olson, Graziano

                SRL fought Benetiz too...

                IMO Leonard fought better opposotion and beat them, and the fights Leonard beat would have beaten the fighters Robinson beat

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Kimmy
                  Robinson beat his opponents in much better style than Leonard did. Most people feel Hagler was robbed against Ray. Duran had already won over Ray Leonard and Hearns was robbed of a revenage win when they rematched.
                  So, yes on paper5 Leonard looks better but in reality i.e anyone who had watched these fights, Robinson beat most of his opponents, Leonard was given a points dec. This is the difference!
                  Duran won once against Leonard in a VERY CLOSE fight, Robinson lost to Lamotta, Basilio, Fullmer...etc etc etc...

                  Leonard beat Duran twice so he won the Trilogy, he beat Hagler, he STOPPED Tommy Hearns...

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Gunstar1
                    Leonard also had more skills then Robinson!
                    Well now thats a silly comment if I ever heard one! But I guess your entitled to your opinion. Watching Robinson fights, because there in black and white (Not to mention bad quality) it's not easy to stay concentrated to realize the ability. But just watch some of his fights and try to imagine your tvs playing up and the fight happened last weekend.

                    You'll see he had everything leanard had and more. Leanard spent so much time planning his next move, while through Robinsons career he just did his thing all the while. No posing there then

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                    • Shanus
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                      #20
                      Robinsons record is rather padded, I mean.. how many fights did he have with Lamotta? Not that Lamotta was a joke, but it was pretty clear SRR was the better fighter.

                      He fought Young Joe Walcott 3 times from what I can remember, that man was just a bum, SRR won every single time.

                      Many fans are too intimidated by the boxing communities thoughts of SRR to challenge his record, I don't think he is this P4P god that everybody talks of, no doubt he is #1 P4P and one of the most skilled athletes the sport has ever seen, but his accomplishments can be surpassed, and IMO have been.

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