Which Sugar has fought the best Opposition?

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  • Parody
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    #31
    Originally posted by elgaringo
    What in the world made you Categorize it like this? You've proved my point! Hagler v LaMotta even match up! Hearns v Gavilan even matchup! Duran v Graziano same! Robinson by a mile!
    Are you kidding????????????


    Hagler vs Lamotta even?

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    • elgaringo
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      #32
      Originally posted by Parody
      Are you kidding????????????


      Hagler vs Lamotta even?
      Alright now I think about it Fullmer and Basilio were better fighters than LaMotta. Either one of these almost measure up to Hagler. I have seen both of them fight Robinson several times and their both as tough as you get
      Last edited by elgaringo; 09-10-2006, 06:47 PM.

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      • psychopath
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        #33
        I know Robinson and his reputation but not much of his opponents unlike Leonard who fought in 5 different weight divisions and fought the equally skilled and named opponents in his era.

        So I'm picking Leonard.
        Floyd Mayweather
        Wifred Benitez - Puerto Ricorican
        Roberto Duran 3x - Panamanian
        Ayub Kalule - Ugandan
        Thomas Hearns 2x
        Marvin Hagler
        Donny Lalonde - Canadian
        Hector Camacho - Puerto Rican

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        • Kball15
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          #34
          forrest (2x) Vargas (2x) Winky Wright (2x) oscar de la hoya, david estrada ( )

          lol. im kiddin, i meant to click leonard but i clicked mosley by accident. just ignore one of the mosley votes.

          mosley has still fought some awsome competition throughout his career, but it doenst stand as tall as leonards or robinsons

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          • TheEvilSaint
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            #35
            if anyone says anything different from sugar ray robinson, they should be shot for ignorance.

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            • *AKO PA HA!
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              #36
              i voted for leonard!

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              • Kid Achilles
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                #37
                Hagler is seriously overrated by young fans. LaMotta was very close to him in historical stature as a middleweight. Hagler was just fortunate to not live at a time where you needed to take a dive just to get a title shot, as LaMotta was forced to do eventually, though he initially tried his hardest to avoid going that route.

                As for Duran, the guy was a natural lightweight, not a middleweight or even a welterweight. I'm not trying to diminish Hagler's legend because he had a close fight with Duran, but LaMotta would have beat the living piss out of the smaller Duran all night. Not because he was p4p better, but because he was a natural and very strong, all time great middleweight with the physicality and mindset that destroyed smaller men who tried to stand in front of him. He would not be hesitant like Hagler was.

                Now Duran was a great P4P fighter, one of the five best lightweights ever, but he wasn't even a top 20 middleweight of all time IMO.

                Hearns was a great welterweight and the stoppage win over him is a big feather in Leonard's cap.

                So to me Hearns and Hagler were the two greats of comparable size that Leonard beat and even then he drew once with Hearns and the Hagler fight was close. With Robinson, it was rarely close. When it was, he rematched the opponent.

                So, Robinson consistently beat better fighters than Leonard. No, beating 3 of what you consider "A" class hall of famers is not better than beating eight "B" class HOF'ers (as if what you think of them actually has an impact on how good they actually were).

                To me Hagler was neck and neck with LaMotta. A win over LaMotta is just as good as a win over Hagler.

                Duran was too small to be considered an all time great at welterweight or middleweight but still holds a win over Leonard. Robinson would have wiped the canvas clean with the much smaller Duran just as LaMotta would have.

                To conclude, Leonard was great and a top ten welterweight but Robinson had more skill, talent, and a better career. I mean look, he had more than twice as many KOs as Leonard had fights. Anything Leonard could do, Robinson could as well, with the addition of a better knockout punch.

                Damn I am exhausted, and that was not a very organized post but I'm too tired to spend any more time than this. Robinson beat the better opposition, but as I just realized the post is who "fought" the best opposition and suddenly Robinson wins by even more of a landslide when you consider guys he lost to like Archer, Giardello, and Maxim.

                Wow, I just realized that the thread isn't even about who beat the better opposition but who FOUGHT it and now, with that said, the answer is Robinson in an even bigger way. Not just my opinion, but a fact. You at least have some kind of platform to make an argument if the question was who beat the best guys, but since it's "who fought the best opposition" Ray Robinson wins and it's not even close.
                Last edited by Kid Achilles; 09-10-2006, 09:07 PM.

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                • Abe Attell
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Gunstar1
                  No contest Sugar Ray Leonard!

                  Hagler - The greatest middleweight of all time

                  Duran twice - top 10 P4P of all time

                  Hearns - 7 time champion in of the top P4P of all time

                  Benitiz - Considered by many the greatest Puerto Rican boxer of all time and of the top P4P guys

                  No fighter canmatch Leonard wins, lets not forget he beat many other good boxers.

                  Leonard even admitted that he waited for Hagler to get old so he could fight him...WOW, what a guy.

                  Robinson had to move up to middleweight in order to fight for a belt since they avoided him at welter

                  I wonder if you put Leonard in the same era and he had to fight the exact same competition and the amount of fights, what his record would have been...
                  Last edited by Abe Attell; 09-10-2006, 09:35 PM.

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                  • onetwopunch
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                    #39
                    I have to say Leornard just becuase he fought all time greats and beat them Hagler, Duran, Benitez, Hearns..

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                    • Superman RJJ
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                      #40
                      Easily Robinson:

                      Carmen Basillio x 2
                      Gene Fuller x 4
                      Joey Maxim
                      Rocky Graziano
                      Randy Turpin
                      Jake La Motta
                      Carl Olsen
                      Kid Gavilian
                      Henry Armstrong
                      Sammy Angott
                      Fritzie Zivic

                      And the list goes on and on, Those of you that really know their boxing will know that this really isnt a contest and that Sugar Ray Robinson wins hands down plus the guy fought over 173 times

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