would tyson (prime) have knocked luis the **** out?

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  • Abe Attell
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    #11
    Originally posted by Southpaw16
    Lewis in his prime had both better handspeed and power than Mike Tyson in my opinion. The handspeed might not look it, but that is just because his punches are longer. People forget that when Tyson was 20 years old and a world champion, Lewis went up to Catskill and got the better of him and Lewis was only an amateur. Lennox Lewis was still about ten years away from his prime as an amateur.
    thanx for starting my day off with a joke

    Power, maybe, handspeed, hell no

    Tyson vs Lewis, prime for prime:

    Strengths for Tyson, Speed, Power, agility, chin, combinations, controlled aggression, reflexes, and a great machine that can follow orders which is basically saying he had the fortune to have a great gameplan setup for him to win.
    Weakness for Tyson: was somewhat vulnerable to be hit with the uppercut, which Lewis has. Sometimes became unfocused/confused for brief moments. Could be tied up, though I have an argument for that if you need it.
    He could have problems with the jab, not as much in his prime than later on since he was able to get underneath the jab and hit you with his leaping left hook, which to him was probably what he wanted you to do because it left you open.
    Gets fustrated if you don't throw punches back because there are no openings for him to take advantage of; "it takes two to tango"


    Lewis strengths : Power in both hands...nice jab...nice uppercut...nice over-hand right...very intelligent...patient...good chin, though not great, but very underrated on these boards...physically big, both in height and weight/strength...good stamina, though not great, which is also a negative which I will show below

    Lewis negatives: STAMINA: though it is perceived to be very good, I somewhat doubt this simply because nobody was really able to pressure him like they needed to...yes, he did have some tough fights, but the only person to really test him from what I can remember for the long hall was Evander, and Evander wasn't exactly in his "Prime"...I still debate his stamina since the only guy to really pressure him hard was Vitali, but it can be argued that at Lennox's age, your stamina is not the same as when you are in your late 20's. The one thing I know, guys the size of Lennox, when forced to fight all 3 minutes tend to have "stamina issues." This of course is why Lennox was smart and used two great weapons, the JAB and the CLINCH.
    Chin: though good, not exactly Ali or Holyfield in this department.
    When you think about it, Lennox was great, especially for his size, but fighting Tyson is a bit different:

    In this fight Lewis would have to deal with someone that throws fast, powerfull, combinations, something rare in the heavyweight division. Lewis's long arms could also work for him and against him: longer arms could possibly keep Tyson at a distance, but it could also work against you if Tyson gets inside which I am sure he would be instructed to do. *Lets not bring up the "DOUGLAS" fight because if you ever saw Tyson fight prior when he was in shape, motivated, and with Rooney, this fighter was different.
    Tyson, like I stated above, would have to deal with the Jab, Uppercut, and clinching from Lewis. I could see him dealing with the jab since I have seen Tyson get by Jabs with not a whole lot of problem becuse of his quick speed/leaping uppercuts which is helped by his head movement...

    actually kind of getting tired of writing the rest

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    • Abe Attell
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      #12
      Originally posted by Southpaw16
      Lewis in his prime had both better handspeed and power than Mike Tyson in my opinion. The handspeed might not look it, but that is just because his punches are longer. People forget that when Tyson was 20 years old and a world champion, Lewis went up to Catskill and got the better of him and Lewis was only an amateur. Lennox Lewis was still about ten years away from his prime as an amateur.
      Not sure on the facts, but I am not sure how many amatuer fights Lennox had at this point compared to Tyson, do you?

      Tyson wasn't exactly in his "Prime" either at this point. In fact, if you have all his fights, you can see an increase in his ability from one fight to the next, especially when he went full on with the all black shoes and shorts. To me he looked somewhat amatuerish up until he hit 20 years old...he seemed to be able to finally become more controlled in the ring as each fight went on.
      At 20 years old you are also not really in your "prime"...Tyson's problem was that he got rid of his trainer and then went to jail at the same time that probably was going to be his true prime, at least physically.

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      • THE REAL NINJA
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        #13
        I thought this was about Joe Louis

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        • hemichromis
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          #14
          Originally posted by THE REAL NINJA
          I thought this was about Joe Louis
          thats what i thought!

          lewis would fight any tyson using a jab and clinch combo tyson is unlikrly to get to a prime punching position because lewis is very strong and likes to clinch
          lewis would use a short uppercut iof tyson came in low but it wouldn't be a power punch because putting all his power in that would mean leaving himself open if he missed.

          lewis would beat tyson by late KO or UD unless tson got lucky/ lewis got careless (which has happened many times)



          joe louis was a very accurate punchers and also quick and powerful he would probably fight tyson by punching him on the way in which he was excellent aty doing

          he would also beat tyson agaion b late round KO

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          • elgaringo
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            #15
            Originally posted by Nate Dogg
            i think tyson would have destroyed him erly ko
            Who's Luis?

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            • Kid Achilles
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              #16
              Why are you guys talking about Lennox Lewis and Joe Louis? I thought the thread is about this guy?

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                #17
                This question has been brought up many times.. but I still have to give Tyson the advantage over Lewis prime vs prime. Mike was so much quicker in his prime and most people that pick Lewis are going off the shell of a man that was in the ring against him when they finally met. Tyson's ability to slip a jab and immediately be able to counter was uncanny. Tyson win by KO in 4 rounds.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Kid Achilles
                  Why are you guys talking about Lennox Lewis and Joe Louis? I thought the thread is about this guy?

                  I have a reproduction of that painting in my school/
                  Anyway, I actually thought this thread Was Joe Louis vs Mike Tyson.
                  Someone should seriously learn the names of fighters.

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                  • Abe Attell
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by THE REAL NINJA
                    I thought this was about Joe Louis

                    was it?

                    the spelling didn't make sense so I just went with the the "Luis" that everybody else was talking about, Lennox Lewis
                    Last edited by Abe Attell; 09-04-2006, 04:34 PM.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by BrooklynBomber
                      I have a reproduction of that painting in my school/
                      Anyway, I actually thought this thread Was Joe Louis vs Mike Tyson.
                      Someone should seriously learn the names of fighters.
                      who is that guy on the painting?

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